Meet up with ddrueding in San Jose, CA (and San Francisco)

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I've been busy the past couple of days because I had a short-notice trip that came up. I'm in San Jose, CA for a seminar and while looking around on the map I noticed it was near Palo Alto and San Francisco. So I decided to send David (ddrueding) a note asking him if he was around this week and much to my luck he was. I left Boston at 6:00AM and arrived in San Jose around 12:00PM. We met up at my hotel (in fact he beat me there because traffic was bad...and I got a little lost on 101).

After I got in, we headed back out and he was gracious enough to show me around the areas. We stopped at several places (a nice bird location which now I cannot remember the name of it) near where he lives. After that we headed on in to San Francisco for a nice tour. We parked the car and walked around taking pictures near the peers and through parts of the city near the bay bridge. After that we headed our way closer to the golden gate bridge in a few different locations. We found a nice path that was a couple miles to the bridge and walked it which was nice. We even got to walk part of the way across the bridge taking pictures until we decided to turn around (it was getting cold).

After that it was on to some more tours of of the down town area and off to get some food at (I think) Polker's Gourmet Burgers? David killed a double burger in record time while my slow ass had only consumed 1/4 of my single burger. :)

After that we drove by the classic lumbar street which I insisted we needed to drive down in the nice little forester from the rental car company. It was a hoot and worth the experience (not to forget some of the insane inclines on some of those fun streets). After that as it was getting darker we stopped at one last place to get a few pictures at the Hoit Tower.

Not to forget the great company; David was a nice guy to spend a large portion of his day with me touring around (many thanks). I had a great time and it was a fantastic experience meeting someone for the first time after all these years. I had to fly over 3000 miles to meet someone but would do it all again. The only down side to it all was the severe lack of sleep after a long day of flying. :) My day started at 3:00AM to get ready and leave for my 6:00AM flight. I didn't get to bed until midnight west coast, so I was up for basically 24 hours...but it was all worth it! Now onto more sleep before the conference starts again! I'll post some of the pictures once I can get them onto flickr.
 

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It was great fun. I didn't get any really good pictures, but I've posted a few anyway.

It's nice being a tourist in a city you have lived in; we went to places where I had never bothered as a local, and this was my first photography trip there as well. Going with a camera caused me to look at things differently.
 

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Unfortunately, I've a doctor appointment today -- I guess all of those 15k drives have affected my hearing -- and, then, I'm leaving town to go to my sister's graduation.

There's not a lot of touristy stuff in Silicon Valley anyway... How exciting can Yahoo's or AMD's campus be? Maybe where Atari used to be and a few interesting museums, but that's about it.
 

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Yup. For photography geeks there are a few more things up the hill (Skyline Blvd, Russian Ridge, etc). I've traveled a lot, and the thing that always surprises me is that every city is 90% the same: full of people going to/from work.

Edit: I didn't realize you were on this part of the coast, sechs. Most of the other members seem to be closer to LA.
 

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I'm back home now (returned Friday 5:45AM) and I've had some time to go through the pictures I took.

Here are a few from the tour David took me on. I'll post more from everything else I went to go see after this...

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The sun was tough on this one...






David, this one was taken at 3200 ISO:
 

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Yup. For photography geeks there are a few more things up the hill (Skyline Blvd, Russian Ridge, etc). I've traveled a lot, and the thing that always surprises me is that every city is 90% the same: full of people going to/from work.

Edit: I didn't realize you were on this part of the coast, sechs. Most of the other members seem to be closer to LA.

Interesting your perspective dd, from my aging eyes, SF and LA have always been distinctly different, maybe similar 'west coast' vibe, but I see plenty of differences...I like SF a bit better, FWIW. Seattle different still, and while I just shoot through Portland on my way to Seattle (driving) Portland is pretty boring as a cursory look over. Same could be said of Vancouver, BC (except they have Richmond suburb, and lots of HK Chinese babes...not as many as LA, but still ;) ).

I've only spent 3-4 wks total on 3 trips to Seattle, but it's definately a different climate and smaller city vibe for me. Same traffic jams, rush hour traffic, but really quite different 'feel' for me. Part has to do with weather, part has to do with people I've met up there. Canadians in BC are are a bit different from us, eh?

People I met from NYC (and there is a distinct difference depending on what part of NYC bouroughs) seem very much different from most people in LA, super high energy, super stressed, can't stand still for even a minute-polar opposite to me :p ...though we do have some of those types (too many, IMHO ;) ) in LA.

In my experience, there is a *huge* monumental difference between fresh of the boat Asians, whether they be young or old, from those ABA's that have grown up in American...not withstanding dd's notation of opportunistic physicians.

Wondering if Handy has any brief impressions, not about 'vibe' or people (don't think he spent enough time in SF to get that), btw SF and Boston...even though at this time of year, politics not withstanding, weather is not all that much different (was in the 90F's up there in many parts of SF area last few days...hotter still here in So. Cal., and thankfully going back down to normal temps in mid 70F's by week's end).

How long did dd spend in Shanghai? How long was he in Hong Kong. I've read a blog entry from a Chinese-American young lawyer, who grew up in SF Bay area, who said about his 1st trip/experience in HK, that is was clostrophobic with the masses of people on every street in the city, very high population density that he was not accustomed to, glad to get back to the USA. I would imagine Tokyo or Seoul could give a person the same feeling...maybe not a person from NYC???

Yes there are similarities, congestion, pollution; you will see in all major urban areas of the largest cities of the world, but when you look for the differences, for me at least, I only see maybe 50% similarity.
 

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I've been to LA, San Fran, and Boston and all three were distinctly different to me.

Boston is a cluster fuck of buildings and seemingly discrete people who seem to wear the city's pride on their shoulder. The traffic and logical flow of roads is certainly something left to be desired and the folks who live there certainly like to cope with the mayhem by saying it's the character the city offers. The city also smells old (just like a city does).

LA was a hot steamy pile of people mixed in with technology and weird yellow smog. The amount of traffic that city has was something to keep me away from living there without question, though I would go back for conferences. Finding my way around was a bit confusing given any wrong turn would lead you into another 45 minutes of traffic correcting your mistake. Hence the city was less forgiving. In the hour walk I did near the LA convention center, the areas did seem a bit sketchy and plenty of people laying on the ground roasting in the sun just a bit outside from the convention center.

San Fran was different from both in that it was busy with people, but not so bad I wouldn't go back. It had it's charm and character from the way the roads are on hills sometimes greater than 45 degrees. The people seemed friendly enough to approach and the overall area felt open enough where I wasn't trapped by congestion. There weren't many homeless people in sight from what I saw.

San Jose wasn't mentioned but I did spend enough time there to get a basic impression. This city felt newer (while walking around) because the areas within had been redone in the past several years according to some discussions I had with a local person. There was a lack of homeless people on the street and the layout seems logical enough without too much traffic that it was manageable for daily use. The airport is right near by and easy to access making it a decent city to commute into. I felt it was a good choice to hold the conference I went to.
 

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I was only in Shanghai for 3 days, Hong Kong for about a week. So far I've been in Moscow for 2 days, and it is pretty much the same. Poor city planing leads to laws that need to be broken, everyone breaking some laws makes enforcement of any laws lax, this leads to chaos and corruption. Everything from having traffic lanes to parking to building permits to land deeds to unsafe electrical installations that cause system-wide outages.

As a lovely example, the hot water in this part of the city will be turned off tonight and won't be turned on again for 3 weeks. This is planned and it happens every year. This is the only source of hot water and heat for the residents.

Yes there are differences between the cities, but not nearly as much as you would think; LA and SF are about as big a difference as I have seen.
 

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The claim is "scheduled maintenance". The truth is that they've been doing it since early in communist times, and haven't gotten the memo that this isn't what "customer service" is about. It is very common for banks and other businesses to have their shops buried deep in the basement of some concrete bunker of a building with a labyrinth of concrete hallways to get there and no signage.

Did one earlier today where after going through 2 hallways (one with a half-inch of standing water on the floor, the other with failing lights and a 6 foot tall ceiling) and a stairwell that had been bombed out without guardrails and structural fissures in the foundation, you round the corner to a newly renovated office space with a security guard in a crisp uniform at the front desk of a major bank branch. All this is in the basement of the headquarters for the ministry of technology.
 

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Argh! Why would you shoot a landscape or cityscape at ISO 3200? Such subjects usually demand maximum detail/minimum noise and often benefit extensively from PP which exacerbates noise.

I use ISO 100 for almost all landscapes, increasing ISO only if foliage is moving in the wind or there is other subject movement that must be reduced by using higher shutter speeds.
 

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Not only was it windy (moving foliage), but neither of us had a tripod with us, and it was really, really dark. We didn't expect those shots to come out at all.
 

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I wouldn't normally shoot it like that. As David mentioned, it was all we had to work with. I wasn't lugging my tripod on the plane.
 

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I understand not wanting to list your exact location; anonymity is a wonderful thing. But it does make coordinating meetings more difficult.
 

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We should congregate at Merc's place - maybe have an intervention?
 

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I understand not wanting to list your exact location; anonymity is a wonderful thing. But it does make coordinating meetings more difficult.
It doesn't have any effect on coordinating meetings. It's only a problem if you want to privately invite people to the meeting.

If people want to meet up, they can just announce whereabouts and when they'll be, and folks can either pipe up or not.
 

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I move around a bit, but would not like my exact location to be known in any case. There is far too much personal info available on the web as it is.
 
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