Napster is Back

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Check out www.napster.com

I preregistered. Of course, it is a pay site now but I'm willing to pay $0.99 per track. 5 free for pre-registereing.

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I think the new Napster will do pretty good even against the Apple one and others. It basically has 99.9% name/brand recognition...even by people who have never used a computer as well as outside the US.

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I think that's what Bertelsmann thought the last time they tried to relaunch Naptser as a fee-based service.
 

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There's a similar service being launched in Canada soon too (can't recall name right now), whose pricing is going to be more demand based. The argument, and one which I completely agree with, is that not all songs are worth 99cents and so should be priced accordingly - some 30 cents a download, while maybe more popular billboard songs 1.29 per download.

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I agree and I think pricing will eventually fall to competitive market pressures. I expect it will be a very competitive market.

In general, I think the US public is getting sick of hearing about all the potential law-suits the RIAA is talking about and will start using services like the new Napster. I would expect people to buy only tracks that want...so $0.99 seems pretty reasonable to me. But then again, I'm a rich, conservative, Republican pig who cares about nobody but myself and doesn't want to pay any taxes. :mrgrn:

But really, I think $0.50 to $1.00 per track is very a reasonable and is a lot better than stealing it via some P2P service. At least the artists can get some compensation this way (at least I hope so). For certain, it is a hell of a lot better than paying $15 for a CD with 3 good songs on it.

Now, if only the price of certain software programs became reasonable...

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That pretty much sums up my position too Clocker....err, everything except about being "a rich, conservative, Republican pig who cares about nobody but myself". :D
 

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I think as long as there's a reasonably common source for free downloads, none of the for-pay services will really be widely adopted. The only issue is how spectacular the failure will be.

As I type this, Kazaa Lite tells me there are 3,824,002 people logged on.
 

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You do have a point there but the population of the US is 292,300,012 and there is a birth every 7 seconds. :eek:

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3.94 million people are using FastTrack right now.

D'you think these for-pay services will attract even a tenth of that? IIRC, BMG's last attempt to market for-pay Napster ended up with something less than 20,000 subscribers.

I'll take my (in theory, since I'm not sharing any music from RIAA represented "artists") 1-in-50,000 chance of being sued for $97 billion dollars if it means I don't have to pay $20 a month for the opportunity to pay $1 per crappy 3-minute pop tune.
 

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Mercutio said:
I'll take my (in theory, since I'm not sharing any music from RIAA represented "artists") 1-in-50,000 chance of being sued for $97 billion dollars if it means I don't have to pay $20 a month for the opportunity to pay $1 per crappy 3-minute pop tune.

I agree, not many people will use the service, especially among poor college students and the like. But for me, having a place that is convenient/easy to go, has guaranteed quality, and knowing that I'm not stealing anything is worth about $1 per track (the $(whatever) 'monthly' fee is only for the 'premium' Napster service). Granted, I'm not a huge music person but I'd enjoy being able to legally make my own custom CDs.

You make good money. As a person who believes "I have an obligation to pay my own way" it blows my mind that you're too cheap to fork over $1 per track for the music that you like. If you listen to a song 20 times and enjoy it for 3 minutes each time, isn't 60minutes (or more) of listening pleasure worth a $1? If you want a legal 'free' service you can always listen to the radio...
 

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I would guess someone in Merc's position would be disapointed by the variety of music available on these services which is why probably both he and i would not appreciate them as much as someone interested in "pop tunes"
 

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Yeah. So I guess it is better to steal it. :-?

I'm not sure what music will be available on Napster but I'm sure there will be services like Napster that serve all tastes in music. I really do believe this form of music distribution truely is the future of the music industry..otherwise people like Merc. and his 3.5 million friends wil put the music business on harder times...

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I *do* make good money. Good enough, anyway. I also buy CDs. Lots and lots and lots of them. Usually 20 or 30 a month (lately more like 15, but SACDs cost substantially more and there are fewer issues every month anyway.)

Except that no one gets rich from classical music sales anyway. To begin with. my favorite label is one called Naxos. Naxos pays artists a flat fee ($5000) for recordings and IIRC no royalties. Because of this, Naxos is able to market an unbelievably diverse catalog filled with works that never would've made it to CD and certainly would never have been played on the radio.

In Chicago, WFMT has a strict "no opera during the working day" policy, because opera is polarizing even to classical music lovers. In fact, WFMT spends the majority of its broadcast hours on only the lightest of fare ("Oh good, another 17th century Trumpet Voluntary.")

Imagine if the whole width and bredth of your radio choice in pop music was Celine Dion and Cher. Would you wade through 16 hours of "My Heart Will Go On" on the off chance of hearing Radiohead (are these choices apropos? I don't keep up with this stuff.)?

Of course, I understand it's like that for most people who listen to music on the radio.

I also understand that all 10 of Billboard's Top 10 pop songs for this week are Hip-Hop songs by african-american artists, which makes me think that either hip-hop fans are the only ones that buy substantial numbers of recordings or that there are fans in a lot of other genres whose music has become so fractionalized that they can't even support one gold record. But I digress.

Literally the only way for me to find new music is to buy lots of CDs and hope I find something I enjoy. By sharing the things I find (let's repeat that: I'm sharing the things that I OWN. It's pointless for me to try to search for anything), I'm hoping that someone else won't have to go through the expense and might make a real discovery in the obscura buried beneath the 15,000 extant recordings of "The Goldberg Variations". I feel very strongly that what *I'm* doing is in public good - I want to make it not-pointless for the next guy.

I have no illusions that a fee-based download service would represent even a slim fraction of the library of works I've collected and enjoyed "But Merc, they have two versions of Beethoven's 6th!" you say in triumph, until I remind you that the CD used for the MP3 can be found in bargain bins for $5, and downloadlegalmp3s.com wants $3.00 per track instead of a buck to compensate for the fact that each of the five movements of the Pastoral symphony is 10 minutes long and therefore a much larger file... and that the download service only has the Solti CSO recording and the inferior 1970s Karajan recording instead of the much preferred album from the 60s, and while we're at it, that service doesn't have any classical music less than 30 years old.

Which is why I'm really happy that two people grabbed copies of Theofandis's "Rainbow Body" (composed in 2002) from me today.

Oh yeah: MP3s suck. Lately I've come to enjoy music in DVD-Audio and SACD formats, both of which offer high-bit rate surround sound audio. To me, an MP3 is a degraded copy of an inferior format. They're a bit like having a second-generation photocopy of a magazine article.
Given the choice, which would you rather have?
 

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One more: I'm sure Madonna will be able to get cheese on her next whopper thanks to Clocker's legal download of "Material Girl".
 

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blakerwry said:
I would guess someone in Merc's position would be disapointed by the variety of music available on these services which is why probably both he and i would not appreciate them as much as someone interested in "pop tunes"

emusic.com is a legal music download service with its catalog on line.
So I went browsing (looking for both artist names and track names).

First I searched for "Arvo" (Part, but his surname has an a-umlaut and isn't always represented properly), a living composer best known for extremely spiritual, sparse music.

Nothing.

Then I searched for "Samuel Barber", a composer best known for 20th century music written a unapologetically romantic style.

Nothing.

Then, frustrated, I searched for "Debussey", a minor giant responsible for great impressionistic music like "Clair de Lune" and "Prelude to the Afternoon of the Faun".

Nothing.

Then I searched for "Hayden", a contemporary of Mozart and one of the very few composers most people have actually heard of.

Nothing.

This is how for-pay music download services are going to to work? Let's just say that if this is the future, I'd rather not participate.
 

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Hey Merc-
You make a good point that apparently very little (if any) of the music available today is in your area of interest.

However, if a download service let you sample tracks of music that you are interested in for free and then let you download it for a per track fee if you wanted it, would you consider it? What I'm getting at is, I think all music will eventually be available online for a fee. If you could get the music you wanted, would you pay for it?

And, by the way, I don't listen to Madonna but I do have a great appreciation for classical music (9+ years of playing classical piano and competing (locally) will do that to ya). It's sad but I just remembered my old teacher died this year from complications due to AIDS. He was only about 45. Let's see, the composers I can remember him teaching me: Bach, Beethoven, Chopin, Handel, Mozart, Schubert, and my favorite, Rachmaninov. Christina Aguilera does have a nice voice though. I like a little rap here and there and even hair bands of the 80's are fun too.
 

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I have a hard time finding good music too.. and I listen to pop mostly... isn't that sad?

I've been a member of BMG music club for natleast 7 years.... they have crap selection.....

hmm.. m aybe i can find some patti rothberg on edonkey....
 

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I had 12 or 13 years of classical piano myself.

I think that media companies will do anything they possibly can to make sure the barriers to getting music distribution remain as high or higher than they are now. Lots of folks using MP3.com to freely distribute their music found out all about it when IIRC Vivendi bought it.

This is of course the antithesis of having all music available for download.

Free previews and pay-per track downloads? Still not interested. Not for a dollar, not for a nickel. I want to buy albums that I own. I will not accept DRM. I want to be able to transfer formats myself (very important since its unlikely that labels will do it) and really I want to buy music at a higher quality than is available with MP3/WMA/FLAC/DRMaudioX.

If someone else is willing to settle for less than that, why shouldn't I help that person out and at least minimize the hassle he has to go through? The chances are good that he'll listen, won't like what he hears, and then all either of us will be out is a little time and the cost for moving some bits over some wires. If he does like it, that's one more person in the world who likes the music I do, who can support it by making sure it's heard and not just notes in a mouldering score somewhere.
 

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That's cool. Now I know where you're coming from. I was under the impression you weren't willing to pay for your music but now I see that you are....

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If they want me to pay 99 cents per track then I would want it in at least CD quality.

In any case nothing is possible over 26.4kb/sec *sobs*
 

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hmm.. that reminds me. DVD's, who thinks they are prooly mastered? I notice all kind of artifacts and sometimes some blocking in bot TV and DVD and I really don't think there is any excuse for it. Both of these formats should be able to be mastered without thse showing up on a typical TV screen. I personally feel that I am not always getting my money's worth because the distributor of the movie didn't put enough time into taking the movie from film to DVD.
 
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