Something Funny in Canada?

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In a thread on another site discussing the possible demise of VIA (Canada's national passenger railroad) it was mentioned that there would likely be a Conservative take-over in elections likely to be called soon.

Is there something funny going on? I guess that there's a scandal beating up the Liberal Party, but I was under the impression that the Conservatives were ready to blow away.

What happened to Canadian politics whilst I was lamenting our woes here in the United States?
 

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If an election comes soon, there might be a bit of a problem, but honestly, I doubt it.

Many Canadians have been desperate for an alternative to the liberals for some time, but have kept voting liberal because they feel that they have no reasonable alternative. No matter how bad this scandal turns out to be (and I think it is, in reality, worse than most people imagine), I think the liberals will still be a significant power simply because Canadians lack an alternative. The conservatives are an even less attractive alternative to most past-liberal voters now than ever because of their disturbingly irrational, religously-motivated positions on various issues. They have talked about overriding the constitution using the Not-Withstanding clause to ban homosexual marriage. Even people opposed to gay marriage don't like to hear democratically-elected officials talk about messing with the consitution for what is --when it comes down to it-- a 100% personal issue.

You see, very few people in Canada really want to vote conservative anymore. Even many of those that oppose homosexual marriage are even more concerned about the way religiously-motivated elected officals insist on invading the personal space of Canadians. Much of the conservative vote in the last election was, without question, a protest vote.

While there are more bible-quote-of-the-month voters out west (sorry, I love you guys, but it's true), a lot of people out there aren't voting conservative for religious reasons, and are very concerned by the fact that the party seems intent on turning itself into a Republican-type platform instead of an actual conservatively-minded governing body which would be conservative with regards to governement intervention in the lives of their consituents and with regards to fiscal responsibility. The father of a friend of mine, who lives in Winnipeg, is one the craziest bigots I know. He hates homosexuals, but he hates government intervention in people's personal lives even more. I wonder how many people out west feel the same way.

I actually used to vote Tory, back in the day, before they became a bunch of bible-thumping nut-jobs, but I, and the majority of Canadians, are terrified of what the party is turning into --especially because we can see how disgusting things can get when people like that get into power just by looking south. After all it's in our faces all the time, because our TV is dominated by American networks. And don't think the disastrous economic performance and budget management skills of the Republicans haven't tarnished Canadians' images of conservatives in general. We certainly notice that incredibly weak dollar ;). Conservatives keep talking about gay marriage, but Canadians what health-care fixed. After that we want drug costs fixed. After that... well, frankly that's all we're asking for. We're still enthralled with reality.

My prediction is actually that the NDP might do tremendously well if an election were to be forced by a non-confidence vote. They certainly wouldn't get a majority, but I would bet they would expand their share of the house significantly. Stephen Harper, the conservative party leader, has been blustering back and forth, and I think he knows that he is unlikely to gain nearly as much from the fall of the liberals as he might hope. By forcing an election, he might actually lessen his party's effective clout even if the party gains seats by introducing a strengthened, harder-to-deal-with NDP party to the House at the expense of the liberals with whom he can more easily compromise. I think he's well aware of this, and that's why he is being so cautious. That's my take.

Between watching the Iraq War, the Schiavo Stupidity, Quantanomo Bay, Abu Ghraib, the failing performance of the American economy, the incredible infringements on freedom in the U.S., and health-care issues at home it is my opinion that the majority of Canadians have never been more inclined to vote like the digusting liberals we are :).
 

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Sechs,

the Progressive Conservative Party (which, indeed, had become all but crushed) and the Canadian Alliance merged as the Conservative Party about a year and half ago. A brief overview of how it came about can be found here.
 

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Something funny in Canada
Oh, gee, a joke. Um... Um... Uh, funny, uh, okay. Uh, this guy walks into a bar and takes out a tiny piano and a twelve-inch pianist. Oh hoho, no, wait! I can't tell that one!!
 

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CityK said:
Something funny in Canada


  • Guy Caballero ............................................Joe Flaherty
    Moe Green............................................... Harold Ramis
    Edith Prickley ..........................................Andrea Martin
    Earl Camembert........................................ Eugene Levy
    Floyd Robertson .........................................Joe Flaherty
    Count Floyd ...............................................Joe Flaherty
    Dr. Tongue .................................................John Candy
    Bruno....................................................... Eugene Levy
    Johnny Larue ..............................................John Candy
    Bob MacKenzie........................................ Dave Thomas
    Doug MacKenzie .......................................Rick Moranis
    Tex Boil................................................... Dave Thomas
    Edna Boil ................................................Andrea Martin
    Mayor Tommy Shanks .................................John Candy
    The Schmenge Brothers ....John Candy and Eugene Levy
    Perini Scleroso........................................ Andrea Martin
    Ed Grimley ................................................Martin Short
    Lin Ye Tang .............................................Dave Thomas
    Sammy Maudlin .........................................Joe Flaherty
    William B. ..................................................John Candy
    Bobby Bittman.......................................... Eugene Levy
    Lola Heatherton ...................................Catherine O'Hara
    Big Jim McBob ...........................................John Candy
    Billy Saul Hurok......................................... Joe Flaherty
    Harry, the Guy with the Snake on His Face ....John Candy
    Rockin' Mel Slurp .......................................Eugene Levy
    Jackie Rogers, Jr. ......................................Martin Short
    Rusty van Reddick......................................Martin Short
 

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Prince Edward Island. The whole island. Something funny going on there...
Generations of inbreeding....its a little known fact that the Confederation bridge was constructed only as a last ditch attempt to increase the gene pool.
 

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Any country where otherwise reasonable people won't vote for religious nutjobs sounds like utopia to me.
 

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CityK said:
the Progressive Conservative Party (which, indeed, had become all but crushed) and the Canadian Alliance merged as the Conservative Party about a year and half ago.

Idiots!
 

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sechs said:
CityK said:
the Progressive Conservative Party (which, indeed, had become all but crushed) and the Canadian Alliance merged as the Conservative Party about a year and half ago.

Idiots!
Ya, it doomed them with a huge percentage of the population --like me for example.
 

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So, to where are the former PCers flocking? They're not excatly prime to join the Liberal Party....
 

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Well, I tossed in a protest vote for the Green Party. My constituency, Alexa McDonough's, is as hardcore NDP as it gets. No one's shifting that woman out of her seat, so my opinion is rather moot these days. Proportional representation would be nice. First past the post just means that the minority in any given area is disenfranchised.

Now, that you have me thinking about it, I wish that there were real conservatives left in politics. And by real conservatives I mean ones with brains that work, not Bible-quote-machines...


P.S. I just realized, thinking about this, that I would --absolutely, certainly-- vote for the NDP, who in many respects stand for the opposite of the government I would prefer, over the new Conservative party if forced to make a decision that had a chance of counting, simply because I could not, morally, vote for those crazy Christians --who wouldn't know morality if it was right under their noses, and, who, for that matter, wouldn't know Jesus or God if he showed up on their doorstep. Bible-quote-of-the-month people can't see the forest for the trees... No relation to reality...

Well, that's inflammatory enough. I can't believe I'm going to vote NDP in the next election. I'm quite bitter about it as you can see. I think I might have to start writing letters to Conservative Party politicians telling them to get their thumbs out of their asses... (or their noses out of their Bibles --the two seem to be pretty much equivalent these days).
 

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I was a bit to surprised to see most of the provincial PC parties resisting affiliation with the new federal Conservative Party.
 

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I quite like Jack Layton as a leader. Too bad he supports the "wrong" platform. I would have liked to install Jack Layton as the leader of the Conservative Party, remove their religious and discriminatory values, and have a viable alternative to the incumbent Liberals.

For the record, I voted Conservatives because I was fed up with the Liberals and wanted to entertain some of the shifts in perspective their platform would have brought (yes, that means I support two-tier healthcare if it's done well). I doubt much of what they promised pre-election would actually materialize in the form of passed legislation, but at least it wouldn't have been more of the same.

To tell you the truth, I did not notice this religious bullshit of the Conservative platform of which you speak -- honestly, I didn't think they were anything like the Republican right in the US before the Canadian federal election. But I would concede that I could have been happily oblivious to it -- I just wasn't paying attention to those aspects of their platform.
 

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I've mostly just noticed the conservative party's change with respect to religion recently, surounding the gay marriage issue.

They aren't nearly as bad as the Republicans though, and it's not like they aren't split on the issue. Even the liberals are split on it a little. What bothers me more than anything is that the Conservatives would actually waste time specifically legislating against it. Do your jobs, and don't waste your constituents time legislating on personal issues.
 

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Indeed, Gilbo. However, I don't think that they think they are wasting time. Hell, I bet there are a lot of voters out there that would not vote for the Conservatives unless they supported banning gay marriage. Probably not as many proportionally as in the US -- we Canadians are in general a little more secular and liberal when it comes to these things -- but I think you'd be surprised how many there are.
 

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I tried to tell 'em our prudish legislation would always lead to our own demise, but they wouldn't listen. They just mumbled something about God save the queen ....
 
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