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[Howell]

There's nothing wrong with taking the position of a parodist, nor with expressing discontent regarding those outside this forum in generalization. That is, IMO a very different thing from any sort of direct personal attack, and that's the point where I draw the line for myself.

Hey, I'm sorry if I don't have tons of patience to explain the particular foundation for my opinions. Usually I realize that there's other things I would rather be doing than that. I care very deeply about the things that I opine on, but knowing that no one but the three or four people on SF who hold distaff opinions are probably the only ones who will examine them - and subsequently be unmoved - doesn't lend itself to motivation.

You have to ask yourself if you wish to be taken seriously. If you wish to be taken seriously in those types of threads you will develop some patience and refrain from the sardonic crapping on threads.

 

[its.fubar]

Ok, last post about this, I promise time

Look, I know it's hard to understand fubar, but the quote I gave you is from Kellerman him-bloody-self.

Kellerman has his own agenda, he got funding from the CDC (i.e. from American taxpayers) to prove that legally owned guns cause crime. It is in his interest to create absurd statistics which have been refuted time and again. Kellerman counting criminals who are shot during home invasions or during confrontations with police as "victims" is a prime example of his statistical shenanigans.

Far more people are saved by having guns than are hurt by them in the USA. If you don't like them, stay in socialist Europe.

As you say Kellerman has his own agenda and he got funding from the CDC (i.e. from American taxpayers) and from this I suppose you are suggesting the American taxpayers have never bean cheated before and everything done in there name is above suspicion and totally legal.

Fubar, this looks suspiciously like trolling. If you wish to discuss specific facts then do so. And do it in a new thread. The purpose of this thread is indicated in the first post.

Howell, I would like to point out to you that I think I am precisely on topic in so much as one can not enter into a discussion with out being accused of tolling with your suggestion "The purpose of this thread is indicated in the first post" I also believe that Pradeep opened up the possibility to my questions in the second response to this topic. I suggest that you Howell stay on topic and stop accusing people of trolling.

 

[Howell]

This thread is hopelessly out of control and is now locked.