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Yup: 70% figure, source: Jake the Dog. :)

Because guns are rare in Oz, Mr Giver, offences such as discharging them in a public place or carying a gun as a concealed weapon are, thankfully, also rather rare. And even if they were not, the point is irrelevant: both are serious crimes. One causes alarm and risks injury to innocent people, the other is evidence of the willingness to do violence and is, quite properly, regarded as a serious offence in itself, just as in days gone by (and quite possibly still today) it was a crime to walk around a residential district at night carrying jemmy, screwdriver and lock picks.

Unlike guns, knives are an essential part of everday life for both violent and normal, non-violent people too. Unlike guns, you have a very good chance of escaping from an attack with a knife: you can run away, fight back, or survive the injury. Your assailant must be willing to close to close quarters and brave whatever defence you can muster. He must be able to run faster than you can, and he cannot, under any possible circumstances, murder many people at the same time.

Even so, there have been moves over the last year or two here in Victoria to restrict the carriage of knives, clubs, and other similar things in public places, especially in known trouble spots like outside certain nightclubs.
 

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I'm sorry, that figure of 70% is absolute bullshit. Why not tell us the last time a licensed handgun owner used his registered handgun to commit a crime in Australia, pre Monash? Can't think of one? Me neither.

"Licensed gun owners are law-abiding citizens with legitimate reasons for owning the weapons they have." "In over 90 per cent of firearm-related homicides the offenders are not licensed and the weapons are not registered." "Not one handgun used in a homicide between 1997 and 1999 was used by a licensed owner."

"The Licencing and Registration Status of Firearms used in Homicides" AIC Report - Jenny Mouzos - May 2000

That's right lads, in a TWO year period, not a single licensed hangun owner committed a crime with one. Anyone care to dispute this FACT?

http://www.ssaa.org.au/aicreport.pdf

That's the full report.

Now given that the 70% has turned into 0%, do you now admit that there really is no significant problem with legally held handguns in Australia? See how the media can distort the truth.
 

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Pradeep, I wish you had read my post properly for you've been too hasty to shout bullshit and the 70% figure I quoted still stands and it relates to all handgun crime. the figures you quote are related to homicide only. there's big difference there sunshine. the article from which I quotes the 70% figure from went on to explain that most handguns were most oft used in robbery.

I’ve e-mailed The Age for details on the article, which I’ll gladly share with everyone here once I can get a hold of it.

blakerwry, The Age is a credible newspaper. it CANNOT be compared to the Inquirer.
 

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Just curious, how many police officers do you know Vlad?

Most of my local force. I have sold many of them computers. How many Brits do you know Cliptin? :wink:
 

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an armed response vehicle full of men with MP5 sub-machine guns is never more than a few minutes away.

This is incorrect. There are two armed response units for the whole of my area. They are both cars, and have two officers in each. No vans, no SWAT teams. They are never 'just minutes away'. Have you seen the traffic in my part of the world???
 

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Vlad The Impaler said:
Just curious, how many police officers do you know Vlad?

Most of my local force. I have sold many of them computers. How many Brits do you know Cliptin? :wink:

hmm. I just find it hard to believe that they would rather walk around defenseless. Just for clarity, have you discussed the issue with them?

According to the BBC, the police operating in certain sections of London will be carrying on a short term basis. A different website that was pro gun-control in Britian stated that the gun control has done nothing to remove the guns from the criminals and thus the police will have to arm themselves.

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I have probably known a handfull of Brits in my lifetime. There was an exchange student from Newcastle-upon-Tyne in high school and a friend of mine got his masters in econ at London. I haven't discussed gun control with either of them. Why do you ask?
 

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Jake the Dog said:
Pradeep, I wish you had read my post properly for you've been too hasty to shout bullshit and the 70% figure I quoted still stands and it relates to all handgun crime. the figures you quote are related to homicide only. there's big difference there sunshine. the article from which I quotes the 70% figure from went on to explain that most handguns were most oft used in robbery.

I’ve e-mailed The Age for details on the article, which I’ll gladly share with everyone here once I can get a hold of it.

blakerwry, The Age is a credible newspaper. it CANNOT be compared to the Inquirer.

I still call bullshit on the figures. Are you telling me that the majority of hangun robberies are caused by people with legally owned and registered handguns, rather than thugs and gang members who won't hesitate to use their illegal guns whenever it suits them? I look forward to the article. Anyway, no hard feelings, no point getting too upset over such things. :)
 

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Pradeep said:
I still call bullshit on the figures. Are you telling me that the majority of hangun robberies are caused by people with legally owned and registered handguns, rather than thugs and gang members who won't hesitate to use their illegal guns whenever it suits them?

that is exactly what the article I read was suggesting. perhaps Pradeep, 70% of people that legally own handguns are thugs and gang members who won't hesitate to use their guns whenever it suits them :p

seriosuly though, I've yet to get the learn the original source of the figure I quoted, it may turn out to be a biased reports, making it BS.

Pradeep said:
Anyway, no hard feelings, no point getting too upset over such things. :)

btw, I'm not upset, I although I sensed you were a bit. if so, I apolagise if I'm the cause.
 

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I was a bit upset, but it's not your fault. I just hate to see law abiding gun owners such as myself slandered and libelled in the media, and portrayed as some red-neck wanna-be mass murderer with a penis envy problem :D
 

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i can understand that. rest assured that I, in fact I know I can speak for all here, know that you are no such thuggish redneck, we know you are indeed a gentleman :)
 

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After further discussion, upon motion duly made and seconded, the following resolution was unanimously adopted:

RESOVLED, that Pradeep is a gentleman.
 

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Issue: should I tell Belinda? (About the idiot with the sheep, I mean.) Will that (a) make her feel better about the idiot she has to put up with? Or (b) make her sadder because of the cruelty and stupidity that is so rife in the world? Hmmm.... No sure.
 
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