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Lawyers, says LiamC.

Me, I'd add:

Telephone company sales peope
Car yard service department managers
The sort of computer vendor you see at swap meets
Nine out of ten politicians
The average accountant
Marketing weenies
Nine out of ten plumbers
Real estate agents
Anyone who goes to school at Dandenong High

There. Counting lawyers, that's the top ten. Err ... bottom ten.
 

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Telephone company sales rep's :eekers:

We all know that *cough* Selstra *cough* are a pack of ravenous dogs, but I kinda' liked your 'radio advertisement' for the yellow pages a year or so back... would've been like free advertising for you & the shop wouldn't it? :wink:

I've been really lucky with swap meet vendors thus far... getting a full refund on the last (and only) defective purchase I've ever had ;)
 

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Swap meet vendors. Think about it.

Why would you get out of bed at some ungodly hour on a bloody Sunday and drive for miles to set up a stall at the one place you can be just about certain of getting the lowest of all possible prices for your goods?

Answer: there one possible reason and only one possible reason - i.e., that you are so bad at doing your 9 to 5 job that you can't make a living at it. This is why you have to work longer hours, for less money, under worse conditions than any other way you can make a quid in the computer trade.

Summary: people selling at swap meets are the dregs of the industry, the absolute bottom dollar, lowest possible quality, minimum possible service dregs.

I like swap meets.

I like them the same way I like the little filters in swimming pools: they attract all the scum and leave the rest of the water that much cleaner than before.
 

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The one particular local vendor (Trevor) I'm thinking of has an on-line store... and he's always done right by me in the past ;) though admitably I almost never purchase new items concentrating on 'pre-loved' items for family & friends upgrades on a tight budget ie. Dell PIII system less HDD, RAM, ancillary cards & accessories $50.00 AUD (I couldn't build it for that :eekers:)

When you purchase from a store... such as your own, you're not only paying for the item, but also the advice & expertise to back that product up ;)

Buying from Swap meet vendors is like, OEM Vs. Retail in the sense of they provide little or no assistance/advice not to mention warranty, but in theory due to the reduced 'overheads' they can offer more competitive pricing... though in reality I've done better in Melbourne's larger IT outlets ;)

Ultimately it's a personal choice, but generally you get what you pay for :)

Viva La Retro... :mrgrn:
 

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You said it yourself.

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though in reality I've done better in Melbourne's larger IT outlets

So "Trevor" runs an on-line store? And his on-line business is doing so badly that he has to work on Sundays as well. Not much of a business then, is it. He would be well advised to sell the business (or give it away if he can't find anyone willing to pay money for it) and get a job doing something he is better at. That shouldn't be too difficult.
 

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I believe he's a self funded retiree (a remunerative hobby), so the odd Sunday isn't a big ask... he's been tinkering as selling PC components 10+ years AFAIK ;)

I seem to have struck a raw nerve here with this Swapmeet Vendor theme... I didn't set out to rile you... but as far as the Melbourne IT outlets, factoring in the current fuel costs it only pays if you're buying in bulk/multiple items ;)
 

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Not at all. As I said, I like swap meets; they provide an easy and pretty-near foolproof way to identify at least some of the dishonest and/or incompetent people that give the industry a bad name. As long as it is clearly understood that swap meet vendors are not to be confused with genuine computer people, that's fine. I would not, however, take kindly to being confused or associated in any way with the scum at the bottom of the industry.

Speaking of dishonest and incompetent (no "/or" required in this case, definately just an "and") someone told me today that a certain notorious place called K**** and alleged to trade out of a shop in Little Bridge St has closed its doors. Gone bankrupt, apparently. Not before time either. That scumbag was probably the worst computer dealer in town, at least since Ron's went under. I saw several like this, but the one that sticks in my memory was the machine that this scumbag sold "brand new" to an unsuspecting couple. Not only was it built to the usual dreadful quality standard (bottom dollar everything), not only was it badly designed with all the components out of balance with each other (not nearly enough RAM for the CPU type, all that stuff), not only was the software pirated (I'm reliably informed that a hefty out-of-court settlement involving reimbursing Microsoft for pirated Office and Windows software took place later on .... well .... "reliably informed?" ... hell, I've seen the paperwork, shown to me by someone who will remain nameless because I'm damned if I can figure out how he got hold of it in the first place and he probably shouldn't have had it, never mind showed it to me) ... er ... where was I. Yes: not only all the usual and routine scungy K**** tricks, but several of the components were second-hand. The hard drive I remember particularly well: sold "new", it had a wholesaler's warranty sticker dated 6 or 8 years before the date of sale, and was manufafactured by a company (Conner) that hadn't traded for a good four or five years prior.

I sent that particular couple down to the Consumer Affairs Department, and provided them with a signed statement on my letterhead describing the machine and assessing it. Armed with that and other evidence, they spoke to Consumer Affairs, Consumer Affairs spoke to K****, and K****, realising it was pay up with a refund right this minute or else face court for fraud, decided that they would refund the money.

There are other stories, but that one is enough. I think you get the idea.

Hell, compared to that clown at K****, your average swap meet dealer is medium honest.
 

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It's interesting that you should mention K****, while I personally didn't deal with them (gotta' trust gut instinct), someone whom I worked with did infact purchase a system (supposedly new) from that particular (dare I say it?) retailer. And while I never saw the computer personally, the faults & shop (lack of) service & attitude rang so many (negative) alarm bells... I couldn't help myself and informed the customer they'd been had :(

BTW their TV's etc. were the pits also ;)

Definitely a lower than scum (vulture) retailer :evil:

Funny thing about the IT industry, shops open & close all the time (or relocate like your former neighbour), I guess that's a measure for potential customers... how long the potential vendor has been happily doing business ;)

I guess my weakness for swapmeets is I enjoy haggling for 'pre-loved' items
 

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Oh, swap meets can be fun. For someone who knows the ropes (such as you) and who is prepared to take a little risk now and then, there is no harm in them. I just hate it when inocent but stupid people do this sort of thing. (Made up, but I've seen this a million times.)

Him: Hello? Look, I bought this motherboard from you last month and it doesn't work.

Me: Oh? What's the problem with it?

Him: Well, it seemed OK at first, but it can't format hard drives.

Me: Ahh... What makes you think that? (Not that I doubt you, sir, I'm just trying to get a handle on the problem.)

Him: (Explains various ways he's tried to format the drive. Some of them actually make sense.)

Me: (Checks various common gotchas: cables, master slave strapping, reset to BIOS defaults, etc.)

Him: Done all that.

Me: And you are sure it's not the drive?

Him: Oh no. The drive works fine. I know that for sure.

Me: You've checked it on another machine then?

Him: No, but there is nothing wrong with the drive. It's brand new.

Me: (suddenly remembering there was a swap meet in town last Sunday) Oh, brand new drive eh? Do you mind if I ask how much you paid for it?

Him: $5

Me: $5? A brand new drive?

Him: Yeah. Works perfectly. Bit of a bargain, eh?

Me: (sigh) Look, how about you bring the motherboard and the drive both in to me and I'll have a look at them for you.

Him: OK, but I'm telling you, that motherboard you sold me is no good. The drive is perfect. I know that. The guy at the swap meet told me.

Of course, the drive is always as dead as mutton. It may or may not have been manufactured within the current century. Sometimes the drive even spins up and makes knocking noises.
 

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As for K****, Taz, I'm not surprised that you never dealt personally with them. You are far too smart for that. (Not really the compliment it sounds: yeast is proably too smart to deal with out friends at K****.)

But yeah, your story has the ring of truth to it. It's the same general story I've heard from a dozen different people in a dozen different forms. K**** seem to have been remarkably consistent over the years. The only real surprise was that they stayed in business as long as they did. What was it, 5 years? A little longer? Maybe they sold a lot of TV sets. Or maybe yeast is more common than I think.

Bedtime!
 

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There are restaraunts that don't make any money in the restaraunt biz. They maintain the storefront just to gain awareness (spread their brand) of their catering business. That's where they make their money. In a similar vein, some, maybe just a very few, swap meet vendors may attend the swap meets to gain a customer base, not to sell the lowest price junk to the unsuspecting consumer. When I used to attend the local swap meet, I had no issues buying components I knew about from local vendors that also had a storefront.

Phone reps: I don't blame the reps; their the messenger. Blame the telcos themselves. They're the ones who are forcing the reps to follow the up-sell scripts. The same can be said of tech support departments pretty much anywhere (cel phone service, cable TV, ISPs, PC vendors).

Car dealer service departments: Very dependent on the dealership & the manager; somewhat dependent on the brand(s) they sell. My Mitsubishi dealer's service department has been quite good. They're honest and will tell me if something is marginal, but can go a bit longer vs. needing immediate maintenance. I frequently get discounts on my service, and they go beyond the call sometimes. This past service interval they cleaned my K&N air filter gratis. That's not something I would have expected since K&Ns aren't OEM and essentially never get replaced (you clean them every couple of years or 50K miles). OTOH, I've heard plenty of horror stories about other places, including universal bashing of Dodge and Chevy dealership service departments.

Politicians: More like 98 of 100. It's a shame, too, that the ones you do see that are probably genuinely interested in being public servants find themselves mired in the muck from the rest.

Accountants: I work in a building with well over 80 accountants. Other than not making a fresh pot of coffee when they take the last of it, they're mostly decent folk. But we're talking corporate accounting, not for individuals/small companies.

Marketers: Yep. Plumbers: Dunno as I've never used one, but my HVAC guy (also my electrician) is pretty good. He is always interested in doing the job right vs. just slapping something in.

RE agents: I don't know how it is in Oz, but in the States the average RE agent puts their photo on everything they do, from their web site to their business cards to their advertising. A Chicago Tribune columnist had a really insightful comment about that awhile back. She said that agents need to realize that they're there for the customers, not themselves. Putting their photo on everything just reinforces that they're interested in their personal wealth / popularity / self image / etc. and not the success of their clients. What a turn-off. I always think of this when I see RE ads. Especially those that have over half the ad devoted to agent head shots, leaving precious little room to actually show photos of the RE that's for sale. You know, the PRODUCTs. :roll:

Dandenong High: I'll take your word for it. :)

I'll add to the list:
Distracted drivers. Doesn't matter if it's cel phone usage, eating while driving, fiddling with the radio or whatever's in the front passenger seat, distracting the tots in the back. Whatever. Related: Drivers who fail to maintain their vehicles. I couldn't tell you how many times on any given day I see cars with multiple lights (brake lights are the most common) that don't work. Or have tires with radically different inflation levels of the tires.

Employers / managers who fail to value their employee's contributions / knowledge / experience. I've quit jobs for this reason before.
 

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Tannin said:
...hell, I've seen the paperwork, shown to me by someone who will remain nameless because I'm damned if I can figure out how he got hold of it in the first place and he probably shouldn't have had it, never mind showed it to me...

T**n*n, no need to speak in codes. The whole ordeal with Konka and Neil Dunbar paying out thousands of AU$ to Microsoft is a matter of public record.


 

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Hmmmmm... nice link there Buck ;)

I actually know of one other re-seller in Ballarat who got a warning from MS for selling used HDD's & complete PC's without first totally wiping the storage drives clean ;)

Very lucky individual, to only get a slap across the wrist :p

Tannin said:
As for K****, Taz, I'm not surprised that you never dealt personally with them. You are far too smart for that. (Not really the compliment it sounds: yeast is probably too smart to deal with our friends at K****.)

How very kind of you to say that I'm smarter than yeast! :p :lol: I did stumble across your store after all... but oh wait so did Mr K. :roll: LMAO :lol: j/k

I rest my case your Honour...
 

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I'm sorry... I couldn't help myself :p

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Re: I thought scum sucking bottom dweller was reserved for .

Tannin said:
Lawyers, says LiamC.

Me, I'd add:

Telephone company sales peope
Car yard service department managers
The sort of computer vendor you see at swap meets
Nine out of ten politicians
The average accountant
Marketing weenies
Nine out of ten plumbers
Real estate agents
Anyone who goes to school at Dandenong High

There. Counting lawyers, that's the top ten. Err ... bottom ten.

How about those that ask if you'd like fries with your burger instead of the royally accepted Commonwealth: chips?
 
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