Opera 7.60 may be excellent

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I haven't used Opera 7.5 much because I found the interface irritating. In fact, I've been busily recommending Firefox to people, partly because there has been no Opera update for more than three months. I was startled when someone raved to me about Opera 7.60. If it wasn't for that, I wouldn't have bothered to even download it.

It has a slightly different interface, in that the annoying bits have been hidden. Once you disable the Main toolbar, screen size becomes reasonable (if you register to kill the ad banner). After trying it for a couple of days, I think it's a positive step. For example, the button to close each page is now on the associated tab rather than over on the right (like Firefox). This feels strange at first, but it means you can close a series of windows with single clicks even if they don't have focus. Nice.

The 'eye' button hides away the new View toolbar, which clears away some clutter while keeping it within easy reach. The "Fit to width" option works extremely well on small screens - way better than Mozilla's "Resize large images".

And then of course, there's the voice recognition ...

Okay, it's a party trick (and barely usable in this technology preview release), but it's kinda cool for a while. ;) I particularly enjoyed setting it to respond to the name "HAL".

I'm now going to antagonize Firefox fans (okay, maybe just Merc) by stating that IMO, Opera 7.60 does everything I can think of better than Firefox. Please remember that I've been using Firebird/Firefox for quite some time - I'm not just saying this because I'm a fanboy. I still see no alternative to Firefox/Mozilla for most people, but I'm going to suggest that Opera is now almost worth the money.

It's noticeably faster. It can actually print web pages correctly (sometimes better than IE). It has a proper download manager. And amazingly, it renders web pages better!

I'd be really interested to see examples of pages that disprove that last contentious statement. Note that results will depend on whether you set Opera to identify itself as Mozilla or IE. For example, Opera pretending to be Mozilla does a perfect job on www.hpm.com.au - until you encounter some mouseover menus that the site has scripted to only appear with IE. Switching identity to IE (F12 - T) solves that (although scrambling some text on earlier dropdown menus).

Firefox is hopeless on this site, as I've found it to be on several others. I've also confirmed that the problems I've seen when configuring network appliances are chiefly down to Firefox. For example, today I fought with a router that seemed to be retaining login details even after I'd reset it to factory defaults. After telling the client how wonderful Firefox is, I had to use IE to get the job done. :x This is the sort of annoyance that put me off Opera 7.23. (BTW, the inexplicable pauses seen in Opera 7.23 are gone).

Opera 7.60 is only a preview (alpha) release, so you shouldn't expect too much. However, I've yet to see a crash or even dodgy behaviour. :eek:
 

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There's still the whole laundry list of things Firefox does better than Opera, from our last go-round on the topic. I seriously doubt if any of the things that bugged me about it last time I tried it have gotten any better.
Opera no-doubt would still have me chasing screen elements as it changed its page rendering (being able to know where to click on things is IMO a prerequisite for calling a page "rendered"). It still doesn't have the bulk downloading features I like, and I'm sure it still has the goofy Opera-isms in its UI that I detest.

Oh. And it's still not free.

Die Opera Die!
 

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I was waiting for you to raise the point about page rendering. ;)

As far as I can see, it's now significantly more stable in this regard than Firefox. Seriously.

For me, it comes down to: Firefox is free and Opera isn't (it's possible to reduce the banner ad to a thin strip, and monitors are getting bigger, but it definitely looks way better when registered. Fortunately, cracks abound.)
 

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That doesn't make me wrong, time. :p

I'd rather wait 3 extra seconds to get a page that's 50% loaded and completely accurate than get the first 10% of a page 3 seconds early with none of its elements in a fixed position.
 
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