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This has nothing to do with computers, but you guys are a resourceful bunch. ;)

I just purchased and had delivered a new washer and dryer (Samsung WF448AAW and DV448AGW, respectively). The dryer is gas, and my local handyman found notes in the install guide that a LP conversion kit needs to be installed for use with Liquid Propane. The Samsung website points me to a Lowes part # that doesn't exist (LPKIT-3/XAA, 268078).

Does anyone here know anything about this kind of thing? I'm at a bit of a loss...
 

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$19.00 + S/H. I just googled "samsung dryer lp conversion kit" and started looking. Others seem to have had problems finding it as well.
 

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You friggin rule. I've been googling for about an hour without success; I even submitted a bunch of stuff to Samsung...

...but it looks like I can't order that part? I can order a new dryer and include that part, but it isn't available on it's own? I'll keep looking...
 

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From where did you get these?

They should have advised you about needing this kit, if only for the up-sale. Certainly, I would think that they could order it for you.
 

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Next time you need a washer or dryer, get installation from whence you purchased it. That way, it's their problem.
 

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Yeah, I was being cheap. I have access to the companies construction crew, but (of course) they don't have specialty parts.
I don't consider the plug for an electric dryer to be a "specialty part," but it doesn't come with the dryer, either.
 

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These were definitely specialty parts, tiny machined brass fittings.

The smartest guy in their crew (the foreman's son) and I just dismantled the whole dryer ($1300) and managed to do the swap ourselves. Very rewarding when it fired up and didn't explode.
 

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Nope. We are out in the boonies. Septic systems and propane tanks.

Umm, guess I haven't been following the trials & tribulations of the DD life. I thought your new job was just a walk away from where you lived/were living. Did you move again, change employment locations :confused:

Wtf is this place that is a business out in the boonies of Monterey or elsewhere? Can you show us a picture(s) of the location, without mentioning the business name?

^Just curious, cause if you're walking to work and it's out in the boonies like you said, I know in that area, especially during summer months...wild creatures come out looking for food and water. Might you get eaten by a mountain lion one of these days :D ? Then how would we know you met your end in such a way :p ?

Naturally my risk of expiring is much higher every time I cross an intersection walking with a green light in my favor, but cars still try their very best to mow me down making left hand turns across the intersection, so often it's not Effin funny :p ?

So you have a well too?

We do, but it is tied into the system at the office, and maintained by them.

I hope there is a robust R/O filtration system, otherwise you could be drinking toxic water.

These were definitely specialty parts, tiny machined brass fittings.

The smartest guy in their crew (the foreman's son) and I just dismantled the whole dryer ($1300) and managed to do the swap ourselves. Very rewarding when it fired up and didn't explode.

Yeah, that happens with a lot of DIY operations... :D But I don't see why you have to dismantle the whole dryer...unless it's one of the poorest designs evah? Any service person would have needed to do far less just to swap a gas connection part out, unless there's some specific earthquake/fire code system associated with that fixture.
 

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Umm, guess I haven't been following the trials & tribulations of the DD life. I thought your new job was just a walk away from where you lived/were living. Did you move again, change employment locations :confused:

Wtf is this place that is a business out in the boonies of Monterey or elsewhere? Can you show us a picture(s) of the location, without mentioning the business name?

^Just curious, cause if you're walking to work and it's out in the boonies like you said, I know in that area, especially during summer months...wild creatures come out looking for food and water. Might you get eaten by a mountain lion one of these days :D ? Then how would we know you met your end in such a way :p ?

Revealing info such as where I work isn't really revealing anything. This info is already out there for those who care to look.

This picture was taken halfway through my "commute" zoom enough and you get the company name. Diagram is attached.
 

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An interesting note, the washer includes "vibration reduction technology". I wanted to test it out so I put in some unbalanced stuff and had a go. The vibration reduction seems to be adding water during a slow spin to change the balance, then ramp it up to 1300RPM. At that speed vibrations were hardly noticeable ;)
 

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An interesting note, the washer includes "vibration reduction technology". I wanted to test it out so I put in some unbalanced stuff and had a go. The vibration reduction seems to be adding water during a slow spin to change the balance, then ramp it up to 1300RPM. At that speed vibrations were hardly noticeable ;)
IIRC, some Samsung models had [essentially] ball bearings in a race to try and actively balance the load. My mom's Frigidaire apparently attempts to time the sudden increase in rotational speed to create a balanced load. It works most of the time; one bath towel will not spin, but two will and be located almost 180 degrees from each other. Not that I conducted any [ok, 10] trial runs... :oops:
 

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My wife thinks I'm weird that I've monitored several loads, and wished for more precise control. Tapping a laptop into it and building my own program would be sweet.
 

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My brother just bought nearly the same washer and dryer. I'm still waiting to hear whether the VRT really works or not. My washer shakes something fierce even after I balanced it.
 

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The washer does shake a bit as it gets up to speed, but only because the floor isn't sturdy enough to stop it. I am very pleased so far, just be sure to use the "HE" detergents that don't sud up so much, it makes a pretty big difference in a front-loads ability to rinse effectively.
 

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We've a Kenmore (Whirlpool) HE washer and like it a lot. My wife wouldn't go for a front-loader so it's a traditional top-loader design. But it still uses the HE detergent, doesn't have a center spindle, uses less power & water, etc. Nice unit. It seems to spin up in stages. You hear several surges as it boosts the spin speed. Probably to gauge the load balance. In the end, laundry is spun enough that it contains less water so even the dryer (which is a fairly plain unit except for large capacity) doesn't work as hard/consume as much to operate. The only downside is that, due to the clothes being spun until they've less moisture left, the laundry can get a little more wrinkled if you don't move it to the dryer fairly quickly.

Our major appliance drama for July came when we decided to replace our dishwasher. The old one was loud so we could only run it overnight or when we were leaving the house. It also only did a fair job at cleaning. And, a few times, it leaked. So we set out to replace it. New unit criteria: stainless steel tub, tall tub, energy/water efficient, quiet.

We settled on another Whirlpool re-badged as a Kenmore Elite. White as it goes with the other appliances and I couldn't see spending another $100 for a stainless steel exterior that show fingerprints and smudges.

Ordered it on July 4 with a July 8 delivery/installation date. Of course Sears uses contractors for delivery & installation. Wednesday comes and the delivery/installer shows up on time. He disconnects the old unit & hauls it to his van. He unloads the new unit and, of course, it's damaged. Dented in the rear far enough to intrude into the tub. Several calls and at least 9 or 10 less-than-helpful Sears people later, it's determined that the best course of action is to cancel the order and place a new order. Supposedly they cancel it over the phone but cannot place the new order as I don't have a Sears card to pay for it. Total BS.

Now I have a hole under my counter. The cat's excited about a new play area. I'm not.

After looking at alternative sources online and finding them to be either far more expensive or quoting 3-5 weeks for delivery, I give up and go into the Sears store that evening (July 8 ) to order it again. This time with a Saturday (July 11) install. The contractor calls on Thursday to confirm that Saturday is the date (but not to confirm the time .. that'd still be the traditional night before call on Friday). But I'm not home and don't get home 'til late as I attended a professional association meeting. Supposedly they called my cell phone as well but there were no voicemails and no missed calls.

So, getting the voicemail they leave at home, I call Friday and they say that since we didn't talk on Thursday they can't do the install before Monday. At this point I'm pretty pissed and we end up agreeing that they'd refuse the install so it'd go back to Sears to be assigned to someone else. A few hours pass and it's now after 4PM. Someone from Sears calls and says they're trying to get an alternate contractor but they've left for the day. She said she'd keep trying as I maintain my insistence on a Saturday delivery as that was what they set up and,as this is a replacement for an already messed up install I want it done as agreed upon.

Saturday morning, I get a call from the original contractor saying they'd like to try and get it delivered that day for me. Obviously they got read a riot act by their management for refusing the service as the lady was about as apologetic as she could be. I agree as I had yet to hear from Sears. 15 minutes later Sears calls and says they're still trying to find someone so I let them know the original people are going to do it.

Saturday afternoon they show up and it gets installed w/out any problems. The new dishwasher works great and is very quiet.

But Sears, well, I can't say I'll be using them for major purchases anytime soon. Sears doesn't seem to be able to pull their head out of their a** when something goes wrong.
- First, no one knows the procedure.
- Second, I, the customer, have to do way too much to get it taken care of.
- Third, ordering a replacement necessitated another trip to the store for no real reason. Even though the store is only 10 minutes away it's still a step I shouldn't have to take.
- Fourth, delivery and delivery/install and delivery/install (by contractor) are all separate groups for them and they don't appear to talk to each other at all. From a consumer standpoint that's idiotic and annoying as I will basically never get the right people the first time I call.
- Fifth, every step of the process is full of delays. Sear's systems are slow as are the people that use them and the processes (I'm assuming they actually have processes..) induce delays.
- Sixth, they have a group called OneSource that's supposed to handle these things and get problems solved. But consumers aren't given the number by default (you can find it online, though).
- Seventh, while it takes them 4 seconds to charges your card, it's taken a week so far and there's still not been a credit back to my account for the cancellation. For my credit cards, yeah, I can wait a bit. But I used a debit card for this so Sears is holding on to almost $1200 of my personal liquidity right now.

We like Kenmore appliances. Yes, they're re-badged stuff from other manufacturers but getting mid-level or higher they are rarely junk. But I can't see myself buying anything from Sears ever again that requires delivery or installation services. I may look at Kenmore when reading reviews but will opt for the OEM version from another retailer instead, even if the price is higher.

Upsides to it all? Well, as mentioned the new dishwasher works well. We also should receive a $50 gift card from OneSource for our trouble. The $10 haul-away charge for the old dishwasher was on the first order but not the second so I expect that to be refunded back.

And in Illinois, if you have a dishwasher installed, there's no sales tax as it's considered a permanent fixture in your home. There is tax if you just have it delivered or take it home yourself. It's an odd loophole in the tax code and does not apply to washer/dryers and refrigerators (not sure about stoves). So that, coupled with a rebate I've got to send in, will cancel out the delivery/install charges.
 

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My delivery was quite the opposite. Placed the order on Sears' website, booked the delivery (two days later) on the website as part of the order. Received a voicemail the night before from an automated system giving the delivery window. They got lost and called my cell, I talked them through delivery into my laundry room and had the receptionist at the office sign for it. I never met them, and only talked to a human once.
 

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Ours would have been simple as well if the initial unit hadn't been damaged. The problem is that Sears apparently has no standard process for handling things when something goes wrong.

I didn't hear the chant in the background but could have easily imagined it: "When in panic or in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout."
 

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Yes. Here I assumed when I moved in that the previous owners or installers had leveled the washer. Turns out really no. The damage to the washer is probably already done, though. But it is somewhat better.
 

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I also imagine the belt loosens if there is one. But I don't know much about washing machines.

There is superficial damage but not to the washer. To the floor/baseboards around the washer.
 

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How do you determine if it is level? Does it have a spirit-level built-in? If not, do you park your level on top of the machine to level it?
 

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Yes I uses a level that I put on the washer. Because you need to make sure it is level front to back and left to right and via the diagonal if your picky.
Instructions came with the washer. But basically theyThe back two feet are not really adjustable. You tilt the washer forward so they come down all the way. You then slowly rest it on the floor. Then you prop up the front with a block of wood (or two big tech books stacked together like I did). You extend the feet out and move the nut washer out. Then you screw the front feet in until the washer is level. It took like 15 tries to get this right for me. Then you screw the nut in place against the washer so the feet don't move.

Newer washers are self leveling. As I understand it you basically just have to tilt them back and then forwards to level them.
 

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Mine wasn't self-leveling, but all I did was block it into place and then lower the feet until they took the weight off my tech books (MCSE for Server 2000) ;)
 

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OMG! I've never seen so many guys obsessed about a washer and dryer.
 
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