Strange 160GB data corruption issue

Tannin

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The other day I bought a Samsung 160GB 8MB cache drive to replace my 80GB data drive with. Seeing as >128GB drives have been around for quite a while now, I didn't expect any issues.

Plonked it in, booted W2K SP4 off the X15-36LP same as usual, went to partition it from the Disk Management console.

As so often happens with W2K, up popped that stupid damn dynamic disk wizard. Seeing as I only meet it once every six or 12 months when I upgrade my hard drive, I can never remember how to avoid it. I don't want dynamic disks, for the love of Mike. I've read the blurb and they offer absolutely nothing by way of features that I want - and being an ultra-conservative by nature in matters technical, I'd far rather stay with the stuff I know. Apart from anything else, know that dynamic disks are supposed to be non-readable by non Microsoft operating systems or by older versions of WinNT/2K/XP in its various forms: that I don't need.

Being unable to remember how to tell 2K to initialise the drive as a basic drive, I followed the wizard and, of course, the bastard went right ahead and made it a dynamic drive, without giving me any option whatsoever about it. (God I hate Microsoft!) I wasted 20 minutes or so cruising the web looking for a way to reverse the damage (and damage it was, for any undesired and unrequested change to your system is, by definition, damage), finally gave up and resorted to tried and tested tools: a boot floppy and Gdisk. I zeroed the drive and tried again.

Safely on a basic drive now, W2K refused to recognise the entire drive, only offering me the option to format it as 128GB. The remainder of the drive, according to W2K's brain-dead disk management program, did not exist.

BIOS? I checked the Albatron site (it's an Albatron KX400 8XV Pro - a KT-400 board) but there seemed to be nothing there about disc access in the BIOS updates.

A built-in W2K problem? Doubtful: I would have heard of that by now, I guessed.

Back to the old tried and true: a W98SE boot floppy and Gdisk. Wiped the drive again, partitioned it to 160GB, all extended/logical, using a 110GB main partition (for photographs), plus two smaller partitions for assorted other stuff. Rather than format the partitions in Gdisk (which only understands FAT32), I left them unformatted and used the disk management console in W2K to format them as NTFS, retaining the default cluster sizes because not being able to defrag gets rather tedious. (More Microsft incompetence.)

Everything seemed fine. Except, after I'd copied ~70GB of data over and wanted to rename the partitions, I got errors. On the old drive (plugged in as a slave) I renamed "download" to "old down" no problem, but trying to rename "new down" to "download" produced an error claiming that the new name was illegal. In fact, I couldn't rename the volume to anything at all - all possible names, it seems, are illegal.

So I formatted it, using a long format, and now the volume can be renamed any time I like. All seems normal.

Worse was to come: I got obvious data corruption on one of the other partitions. Reformated that one too, again a long format with no problems reported. But I am still getting data corruption. Just this morning, a folder of 577 pictures that I was looking at last night went weird. Suddenly, 20% of the JPEGs are either corrupt & unrecognisable or (bizarrely) completely different files from a different partition!

Weird!

Housecall says I am virus-free.

A recent install of W2K SP4, latest Hyperion drivers. No sign of instability.

Athlon XP2500, 1GB RAM, Tekram SCSI card, nothing I haven't been running for ages, bar the CPU itself, which I just slipped in to replace a 2400. This does mean that the bus & RAM are running faster than they have been, but still well within specs for the board and RAM.

Should I swap the drive out for a 120GB unit?

Suspect my RAM?

Change motherboard?

Swap the IDE cable?

Panic?

The old drive, by the way, is still attached for the time being and I have not seen any sign of problems with it - though I've not tried too hard to break it, of course, as I contains valuable data. Also, I have a Sound Blaster 128. (Which last detail I only throw in in order to pay homage to the old, old adage: when you think of data corruption, think of Sound Blaster.)

I think I'll slip over to the office and grab a 120GB drive, then fit it using a new cable, ten sit back and await results.

Gahh .... Wish I could afford a 160GB SCSI drive.
 

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OK, I swappe dthe drive out for a 120. Swapped the cables too. So far, so good.

Does anyone know if there are issues with a >128GB drive and W2K?

Oh, and I unplugged the Sound Blaster just for good measure. I daresay that the on-board sound will be near enough for practical purposes, and now I can uninstall every last bit of that coding disaster that Creative call a driver.
 

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Tony,

Yes there are. In addition to the upgrade to SP3 or SP4, you should change the registry to properly utilize the full capacity. Maxtor has a file (search for big_drive_enabler.exe) that does this directly. It works with SP4 and all >137GB drives, not just Maxtors.
 

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Ahh, thankyou Lunar Mist. Murphy's Law being what it is, your advice arrived the very minute I finished copying my data over to the new 120GB drive. :(

No matter. I'm too lazy to copy it a third time and I can't trust the data already on the 160, so I think I'll just leave it the way it is for now.

In any case, now tht 160GB prices have dropped to something reasonable, we will doubtless start selling them - something we have not done until now - so it is something I need to know in any case.

So: do I leave the Sound Blaster Vibra 128 out? Or is it likely to provide better sound than the VIA thing on the motherboard? Of course, seeing as I haven't plugged my speakers in yet (I've only been home a few weeks) I guess sound quality isn't high on my priority list. :)
 

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I am pretty happy with most of the current onboard sound chips quality. Pefectly good for a pair of "computer" speakers.

I would definately use the onboard VIA of a the 8233a SB(kt266 or higher NB) and up over a SoundBlaster 64/128.

Remember that with the onboard audio that drivers are everything. Use the newest audio drivers from VIA (or realtek if you have an intel/SiS board).
 

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By FAR the easiest thing to do is to use a Promise or HPT controller for your big drives.

If you have one laying around that is. Most of the boards I'm using have them integrated, which works well enough for the first 800GB or so. ;)

WRT onboard sound, the SB64 was a premium card, and if all you're interested in is stereo sound, it's a damn sight better than Crystal Audio or Realtek onboard stuff that's found on most boards.

'Course, then you have to deal with the occasional "Creative Weirdness".
 

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Mercutio said:
By FAR the easiest thing to do is to use a Promise or HPT controller for your big drives.
But certainly not the most economical. And I'm not sure about the easiness since you'll have to provide the driver of the controller on a disk during Windoz's installation because Winblows considers it as a Scuzzy adapter.

And I'm not too confident about OS/2's support for these controller either (big factor for comp. tech in kangarooland).
 

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Thankyou all, gentlemen. Knowledge base article, Maxtor download and all duly absorbed.

In practice, having already installed the 120 and copied my data to it (again!) I decided it was easier just to leave the 120GB drive in for now. Once it fills up, I can wonder what to do next.

At present, I still have both drives (the 80 and the 120) plugged in, mounted in Lan-Li removable trays, and I'm more-or-less incined to leave the three drive setup operational. I don't actiually need the space yet, but why not?

(BTW, I did not have the trays in use when I was having the data integrity problem - I added them later.)

I think you are probably right about the Promise cards and OS/2 (though it's surprising what drivers are available), Coug, but it's not an issue at present, nor is the boot drivers issue. I don't use OS/2 at home anymore, and that's the only place where I need the big drives. And I boot off SCSI, of course. I am seriously wedded to my X15s. Indeed, I just bought a third X15 (a 36LP) and Tekram U320 controller from Mutiah. The old X15 (1st-gen) is going to the office as a boot drive for the showroom computer (where it will run the just-released new version of ECS on an XP 2500 and use that system's current 80GB Samsung drive for data ... er ... I mean bird pictures).

Oh: one other thing. I sold the 160 today. To, of all people, Sol. But I'll mention that in another thread.
 

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Nearly all SB64s I've seen, Merc, were the ISA one, which did indeed have excellent sound but won't plug into this system, of course.

I rather suspect that the Oz distribution PCI ones were different. Also there are two different ones which are completely incompatible with each other. One has (from memory) a 1301 and the other a 1302 written on it. Load the wrong drivers and your system gets really ugly. The chips themselves are Ensoniq ones, not Sound Blaster at all. Essentially, as I understand it, SB suddenly discovered that PCI was king but that they themselves didn't know bugger-all about it. So they duly bought a company that did have PCI product and proceeded to "improve" the drivers - thus proving that they still didn't know bugger-all about PCI.

On the whole, I think I'll stay with the on-board sound. I haven't got around to installing the drivers yet or plugging the speakers in - maybe next week, if i get time - but so far I must say that I haven't noticed any difference from the SB-128.
 

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Tannin said:
Does anyone know if there are issues with a >128GB drive and W2K?

OK, this isn't funny anymore. I just relocated the stuff from one computer to another case. I also installed an Adaptec 2940 and a 18GB SCSI disk. As I went to partition and format the SCSI disk, I just realized that only the first 128GB of my Samsung 160GB 8MB drive is utilized!
It was a fresh install of WinXP, formatting with NTFS (quick if I recall). Don't remember any warnings about only using 128GB of the disk.

MSI Nforce2 mobo. 80pin cable.

AAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!

Now I'm really pissed at MS.

I mean really, REALLY angry.

Maybe even really, REALLY, REALLYREALLY agnry. :evil:



I'm glad I remembered someone else having these problems...




I'm still very angry...
 

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I sure wish I would have read this thread when it came up the first time. I just lost 60GB of data last weekend because of this stupid bug. Why doesn't SP4 or SP3 for that matter just fix this problem? I ended up putting my drive on the onboard Promise controller. I have an extra Promise ATA133 laying around that I will use when I fill up the current controller.

Let's see 4x200GB on the onboard controller + 4x200GB on the Promise ATA133 = 1600GB. That should be enough. Too bad I don't have enough drive bays to accommodate that many drives in addition to a Cheetah 36ES and an 80GB Barracuda IV.
 

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timwhit said:
Would this problem occur when using a firewire drive?

Sorry timwhit, was your question addressed to me or open to everyone?
 
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