Sub-compact laptop recommendations

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I'm considering an IBM X-series laptop for a client who craves something really light. They weigh about 1.2kg (2.7lbs) and even include a keyboard light. Different batteries provide runtimes from three to seven hours.

I have a few reservations:

1. The 12" screen
2. The 90% size keyboard (so I've been told)
3. The virtual necessity of a docking station (for CD etc)

Has anyone seen or used one of these? What about other brands?
 

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Dell Insiporn 700 is rated quite highly. Dell Aus seems to be tits up for maintenance currently, but I'm sure it is a cheaper option than the IBM. No keyboard ligh tho.

Here's the US site:

http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/inspn_700m?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs

It's 4.1, but that's with a DVD-ROM drive.

If he can deal with an even smaller screen (10.7" @WXGA), then the Fujitsu P7000 would be a feature packed beast at 3.3lbs with DVD. People have reported fantastic battery life.

http://store.shopfujitsu.com/fpc/Ecommerce/buildseriesbean.do?series=P7D
 

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I've used a couple of the x-series models. I am big on the thin a light models myself but I did not like the passive display on the models I looked at. The keyboard only takes a couple minutes to get used to.
In the end I went with the T-series instead. It weighs more but also has a longer battery life and a better display. IIRC T-series notebooks weigh about as much as what Dell calls an ultraportable.
 

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The current Fujitsu P series has the crystalview display, which is nice but very finely pitched. There is no true docking station available which makes it less than desirable for out-of-the-way home use. I have been using a Fujitsu P5K for 1.5 years. It is the only subcompact with a removable optical drive that can be swapped for a second battery as well as an easily replaceble standard 2.5" hard drive. I believe that the current IBM and other tiny notebooks such as the Sony TR use small, slow 1.8" drives. (The Dell than Merc mentioned is high on my list of replacements, but really needs the high capacity battery for decent battery life. That extends the depth too far for my needs.)
 

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Mercutio said:
I've used a couple of the x-series models. I am big on the thin a light models myself but I did not like the passive display on the models I looked at. The keyboard only takes a couple minutes to get used to.
In the end I went with the T-series instead. It weighs more but also has a longer battery life and a better display. IIRC T-series notebooks weigh about as much as what Dell calls an ultraportable.

We got a T42 with 1024*768 screen the other day at work, it seemed rather heavy for it's thickness. Screen itself was utter shite, it appeared to only be backlit from the bottom edge, creating washed out colors. Hopefully the higher rez screens are better. Of course it's replacing an HP laptop that currently takes 30 secs to open Word, so our staff member will be more than happy.
 

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Pradeep said:
Dell Insiporn 700 is rated quite highly.
By my reckoning, the screen is just 6.4" high, giving 125 lpi. If it wasn't widescreen, it would actually be a 10.8" screen. Sorry, I think that's just ludicrous, especially for something that weighs over 4lb.

Dell Aus seems to be tits up for maintenance currently, but I'm sure it is a cheaper option than the IBM.

Oddly, it's way cheaper in the US, but not significantly so in Oz. :-?

If he can deal with an even smaller screen (10.7" @WXGA), then the Fujitsu P7000 would be a feature packed beast at 3.3lbs with DVD.

Well, that's less than 5.7" high. The 4:3 equivalent would be 9.4". If it was on your lap, you'd have to hunch over to peer at it!

What about Dell Latitude, Toshiba, etc? I saw a normal sized Latitude the other day and was impressed with the display.
 

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We have an Inspiron 600m, heavier than an ultra-portable, but gives you a 14" screen at XGA or SXGA+ (1400*1050) which is what we have. Works well, nice sharp screen, and a blessed serial port. Getting up there at 5lbs.

The Latitude D610 would be the closest Latitude equivalent.

The Latitude D410 is sub 4 lbs, has a 12" XGA screen, no optical.
 

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I think the user needs a T&L not a subnotebook. Do users really balance notebooks on their legs? If so, consider that some of teh thinner ones get very hot and would be uncomfortable.
 

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The Dell Latitudes look much better than the Inspirons, despite the price difference. They were looking good, except ...

When Dell came to Australia, it opened a showroom in each capital city so that customers could at least see what they were buying. This is no longer the case. In fact, the gist of my conversation with a Dell rep was that they already provided the website, so what more did I want?

Well actually, I want to see the bloody thing before spending the local equivalent of US$3000 per unit (with options like a 3yr warranty). After all, if the client doesn't like the screen, keyboard or anything really, they can't just change it or upgrade it.

Corporates may be okay with buying samples to find out what they're like, but that doesn't apply to real businesses. So Dell can just stick it where the sun don't shine.

So I called IBM. For the third time in as many weeks, I shaped up to a 30 minute wait - for their sales enquiry line!

Actually, I didn't this time - twice was enough. I tried a few different numbers and hung up each time a receptionist drone flicked me to the same sales hold queue. Eventually, I put my case forcefully enough to make it to the marketing queue, and after several minutes, I was rewarded with a human.

Many apologies, but IBM Australia has been reduced to a single office in Sydney. That's 1000 kilometers from Brisbane by road.

How about resellers? Well yes, but they don't carry stock. With persuasion, I extracted their names and numbers from IBM and called them anyway. Indeed, none had either sales or demo stock. One said they didn't deal with anyone buying less than 20, but another said I could make an appointment and they would see if they could request a demo unit from IBM (in Sydney).

For the record, Brisbane and the adjoining cities of the Sunshine Coast and Gold Coast have a population in excess of 3 million. Apparently, this is too insignificant for IBM, let alone Dell. None of the retailers I tried had stock of IBM, and obviously they didn't have Dell.

For years, I have espoused Tannin's doctrine of 'name' brands when it comes to laptops. The damn things are just so proprietary, and parts and service are so hard to come by outside the US. This experience has radically altered my views.

I see Asus laptops everywhere. My brother reckons they're better than the Toshibas and Dells he sees. Asus has a comprehensive distribution channel and lists major laptop retailers directly on their website. I confirmed the best bets with the local distributor (who was extremely helpful) and rang a couple. The second had the M5001 in stock.

1.55kg including DVD-RW!
4:3 12.1" screen
Optional 8 hour battery
2 years global warranty
Excellent reviews

Hang on, that's a significant step up on the 'major' brands, isn't it?

There's also a widescreen model (which I can't find the link to right now) for those that actually want smaller displays. :roll: I'm definitely not an Asus fanboy, but they look to be a far better proposition all round in the modern marketplace. :-?
 

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Well actually, I want to see the bloody thing before spending the local equivalent of US$3000 per unit (with options like a 3yr warranty). After all, if the client doesn't like the screen, keyboard or anything really, they can't just change it or upgrade it.

In the US you have 21 days to return something to Dell if you aren't happy with it for a refund, for any reason at all. You just pay the shipping. They call it the "total satisfaction warranty". Unfortunately they don't have that in Aus, I would be hesitant too in that case.
 

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Well, I had a look at an Asus M5001 today. As a DVD-RW/RAM equipped unit, it came in a rather spiffy white finish, which is definitely chic. Asus is currently bundling it with both a 2hr and 5hr battery (8hr battery is an optional extra).

The screen was very sharp with a reasonable viewing angle (for a laptop). I noticed that its height was about 90% of the 15.4" wide screen beside it. What impressed me was that despite my dodgy vision (instead of glasses, I rely on largish monitors), I could read every word perfectly from 2 1/2 feet away. Way, way better than the Dell 1400x1050 15" screens I've had the misfortune to squint at in the past (no reflection on the new Latitude wide screen I mentioned).

And then there's the keyboard. Quite simply, the best notebook keyboard I've ever used and better than 90% of desktop keyboards. Unlike the lifeless feel of the laptop next to it (an Asus W series), each key felt like it had a microswitch under it. As a non-typist, I fumbled helplessly with the bigger laptop, but the M5 made me look like a pro. At this point, I fell in love. Even the trackpad worked well (as trackpads go).

What are the negatives? Although colors were strong, the sample I looked at didn't render them accurately. Blues were the wrong hue and if this is normal, it wouldn't be suitable for photographic work.

Okay, I can't think of any other negatives. It doesn't get hot underneath, at least with the casual use I was giving it. It doesn't use a 1.8" drive. It's about the same weight, slightly deeper but thinner than the Fujitsu P7, yet packs in a screen that's a full third taller and a CPU that's a third faster. Battery life is about 80% of the Lifebook but the keyboard is better (anecdotally).

Bearing in mind that I think laptops over 3kg/7lbs are a bad joke, and thin & light means under 2.3kg/5lbs, this is the best laptop I've seen yet. I want one. :D
 

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I have been considering a private label version of the Asus as well, but the larger battery sticks out quite a bit. It is a little too big for my case.
 
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