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Trump tried to leave NATO during his first term. Congress passed a law stating that the President can't unilaterally withdraw from military treaties, but oh hey, there's nothing aside from the possibility that a couple congressional representatives fail to show up for votes that keep Republicans from doing whatever the fuck incest and cocaine fueled ideas they happen to come up with at this point.

It actually wouldn't shock me if we wind up putting boots on the ground for "peacekeeping" in Russian-occupied Ukraine at this point.
 

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Most adults over age 30 would probably be 4F regardless. Too many sedentary, pot-smoking people who have ruined their eyes from bad phone habits.
Unfortunately, at least once my ribs fully heal, I'll be among the few who could probably get through basic training. At age 62. Ditto for my brother and sister. Besides who would mind our cats if we're gone, I wouldn't relish the idea of being part of an invasion force. The last honorable war and time I would have willingly fought was WWII when the US was fighting for its very existence.
I sort of think Trump talking about these imperialist ambitions is going to be his narrative for why some future administrative positions don't get adopted. "The Generals" or "the Deep State" or "NATO" won't let the US be as great as I want it to be. I think he's trying to emulate Putin as an imperialist. He definitely has a boner for wanting to play with all our military toys, even if he spent his last term getting his every terrible idea shot down by actual adults.
Yes, he's definitely doing a bad imitation of Putin here. Even the much smarter Putin must be realizing by now what a bad decision he made invading Ukraine. Russia will run out men to conscript long before this war is over. The fact they're using North Koreans whose training basically makes them cannon fodder for drones tells you all you need to know.
Speaking of the draft: I never met my grandfather. He lied about his age and volunteered to serve in World War I. As I understand it he was a mustard gas survivor who lived with a rasping cough his entire life. He was 42 when the US started sending kids overseas again for WWII, but he could safely pass for 35, and every time the Army called up a bunch of farm kids from Central Illinois, he'd get on the train with all of them and spend the entire trip explaining to scared young men exactly what would happen to all of them, and then he'd go through the whole process with them as if he was a new recruit. That meant getting vaccines (with enormous 1940-grade needles), getting his hair shaved off and being issued a new uniform. He did that eight times.

I am not sure why but those train rides seem a world more heroic than being a guy who got a taste of phosgene in a trench one time.
He sounds like an old school greatest generation hero whose life might make a good movie, especially the train rides. It's a shame you never met him. Going by the dates he was born before my grandparents, even though I'm 15 years older than you. My mom's parents were both born in 1901. My dad's parents in 1911 and 1915. None of them served. My father served from 1952 to 1954 as part of the occupation force in Germany. No combat. He jokingly called it the fräulein campaign.
 

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My grandfather was born in 1899. My grandmother was only 16 to his 36 when they got married. To his credit, my grandmother wound up with a college education and a full-time career as a nurse, which was her condition for marrying him in the first place. I bring this up every time someone in my family mentions the age gap between me and my partner.
 

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I'm surprised people still bring up age gaps these days. It's only a number. You and your partner are only one generation apart, same as your grandparents. It's different if you're maybe 40 or 50 years apart. At that point a young person could be faced being a caretaker for their aging partner. And the older partner likely won't be around to see any potential children graduate college.

The oldest relative of ours that I knew was my maternal grandfather's sister, born in 1896. She passed away in 1996, 4 months short of 100.
 

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The last time Trump was president the Danish immigration authority had a special header on their refugee page (paraphrasing), "Americans, we know it's bad, but you don't count".
 

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I've seen syringe guns that delivered four injections at at time, but that might not have been what you got.
Until I read your post I hadn't even remembered those syringe guns. I think those started showing up at the evac hospitals in about the mid-70s. But I haven't seen those in use at any of the civilian hospitals over the past few years after these docs started dealing with my cancer battle. They sure do have to pull a lot of blood out of me about once a month, though. 6 or 7 of those vials each time. But they are really good, of course. I get a kick out of joking around with that staff. Still can't figure out why they want to package whiskey in those little square things and then put that swab thing in there with the whiskey. Tough chewing that swab, I would guess.

Sure is amazing how far along medicine has come. But with the aging population we have here in Japan it is very rough on the medical folks. And my primary hospital is primarily for civil service (Japanese) so once in a bit the docs have trouble with the big shots that don't like the waiting and such. Even past rank here in Japan is held in a bit of high regard, but not so much in a crowded hospital. So many of us old folks to deal with. Then you toss in that nasty cancer stuff and it's quite an adventure at the patient end. I'm fortunate as a foreigner to be able to use that hospital. I guess a bit of rank played a part in that, too.

Anyway, I look at this getting/being old stuff as a new adventure. But my spine is such a mess it amazes Doc Abe that I still don't have to use a cane or my new fancy hand cart thing I bought. But I sure am slow and not a good sight as I get around.

Some sports are bad, bad, bad for the spine. And those pro dancer folks have spine trouble as they get on in age. Those gymnastics folks have the same trouble many times. My case was TaeKwonDo in the ROK for years and years. Super bad for the spine. And there was an Army doc tried to tell us on the team that we'd pay, but we just laughed him off and had him fix the broken bones and stuff.

Like I wrote, an adventure.
 

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Yeah, there's a bit of a gap between my girlfriend and I, enough so that I wouldn't have pursued her -- maybe if we'd met ten or so years down the line -- although, frankly, I was not about to pursue anyone. But she went after me. We do joke about it sometimes, though.

So North Carolina's blocking the certification of the election for a democratic state supreme court judge who won the campaign, a recount, and a second (albeit partial) recount. Her opponent with the backing of the party is motioning to disenfranchise some 60,000 people, I believe?

The last election we'll need to vote in, everyone!
 

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Being a newbie around here makes this an odd question, I suppose, but are all members in this Community accounted for, IF any of them may live in that firestorm area in California? Reports we can get here in Japan make it seem that is a very bad business! Well, I assume it IS a very, very bad business!! So all in this Online Community are safe?
 

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Lunarmist may be in California somewhere and Santilli is an LA resident. There are a couple others who visit infrequently.

There is no actual geographic concentration among us. We've had multiple members from the same area because long time members occasionally drag friends on here.
 

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Yeah, there's a bit of a gap between my girlfriend and I, enough so that I wouldn't have pursued her -- maybe if we'd met ten or so years down the line -- although, frankly, I was not about to pursue anyone. But she went after me. We do joke about it sometimes, though.
In which direction? Is she the older one?

We're you uncoupled just a few months ago? This happened pretty fast.

I'm not one to pursue people myself. That could be both good and bad.
 

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Sure is amazing how far along medicine has come. But with the aging population we have here in Japan it is very rough on the medical folks.
Japan is at the forefront of the aging crisis, with Italy not far behind. Both groups tend to live long to start with going by genetics. Add in medical science and they're living even longer. We're facing a shortage of both medical personnel and caretakers. Japan is actively working on robots to help with this. They may not have the human touch, but if the alternative to living at home with robotic help is a nursing home I'll take the robot.

The rest of your post makes me glad I avoided sports likely to leave me in pain as I get older. Cycling can do a number on your knees but so far so good.
 

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Every person who has ever been or will ever be in a relationship has baggage, man. There's no cure for all the parts of life you weren't there to see; we all have our attachment styles and love languages and traumas from family long before anything else enters the picture.

One of the things that sucks for me is that my relationship experiences for me is massively unconventional but because I'm a lot older (and decidedly dad/uncle-shaped, blue hair notwithstanding) than my friends, I get asked for advice all the time, like I have anything useful to contribute other than "swallow" and "don't date anyone who doesn't know how to cook their own food or do their own laundry."
 

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I consider women who initiated a divorce in their past to be a big plus. They know what they want, what they don't, and aren't afraid to take action when things aren't right.

Some of the tech startup mentality, fail early, fail often.
 

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Every person who has ever been or will ever be in a relationship has baggage, man. There's no cure for all the parts of life you weren't there to see; we all have our attachment styles and love languages and traumas from family long before anything else enters the picture.
I don't mean the growing up baggage everyone has. I mean the kind they have just by virtue of having kids or being in many prior failed relationships, perhaps even prior failed marriages. If a person has kids from a prior partnership, you're going to be second fiddle to them. And I fully understand this. I just don't want to be part of an arrangement where I'm perpetually stuck in the back seat. On the second thing, having failed relationships damages you. There's no way around it, whether things failed because of you or your partner. Not to mention those in this situation often still have strong feelings for their previous partner. My brother-in-law left my sister in 2011. Eventually they divorced. While she's glad he's gone she still has feelings. Him even more so, despite the fact he was married and divorced since, and dated a bunch of people (my sister never remarried or dated). So again, you'll take a back seat and/or face constant comparisons to whoever they were with before.

Last thing is experience. You want to be with someone who had a similar range of experiences. A person with many prior relationships will need more to be satisfied. The last time I was in love I was 19. That's basically where I am in terms of experience. So I'd want someone starting off from around that. BTW, I'm not looking for marriage, or even long-term relationships. Basically I'll go along for the ride until we both get bored, whether that's 10 weeks or 10 years, then move on to someone else. Certainly not looking to have children at my age, plus I never wanted kids anyway.
I consider women who initiated a divorce in their past to be a big plus. They know what they want, what they don't, and aren't afraid to take action when things aren't right.
Or they're prone to bad choices, or just leaving without giving things a fair chance, or have unrealistic expectations. Not to mention divorce laws are skewed horribly against men.
 

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I can understand the sentiment, but that's life, man. It's perfectly fine to have those standards, but just know that they're liable to leave you alone -- and if you're okay with that, that's fine. I was perfectly okay with being alone. I think it was when I finally hit that point rather than just convincing myself that I was, that someone found me.

To answer your question, she's younger than me -- she's 20, I'm 26. She's outside what I'd consider my normal dating pool of $age±4, but within the ($age/2)+7 rule, albeit barely. I asked some of my folks for advice before I finally gave in, and the consensus is that within a couple years it won't matter and we likely won't even notice. We met around March last year and she finally managed to break down some of my walls around September.

I agree with dd -- a previous divorce she initiated shows remarkable will, in my book, and I don't have time for someone who has to ask me what they ought to think. Half the time I don't even know myself. :p As always, it has to come with context -- someone who left after, like, a year, because they were bored, sure, I'd be skeptical of their long-term commitment. On the other hand someone who left after their partner raised their hand to them is someone I greatly respect.
 

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Wow, so she married really young by today's standards. I guess context is everything. I can understand a divorce if you're beaten or otherwise abused. Barring that, it tends to raise some questions.

I've been alone all my adult life really, so I have to be OK with it at this point. Honest truth is I've always been picky. In HS there were only a few girls in a school with about 3,000 students that semi-interested me. I'm not even sure if I was ever really in love with the one I mentioned, or just in love with the idea of being in love. There was absolutely nobody in college I wanted to be with. Once you're done with school your chances of meeting people decrease dramatically. Standards exist to keep people from settling, which is really the main reason relationships don't last. Most of us not being inherently monogamous is another reason. I should also mention I'm borderline asexual as far as I can tell. It takes someone really, really gorgeous by my standards to get turned on. Otherwise, any relationship would be strictly platonic.

Anyway, I'm really happy for you that you found someone. The way you were talking for a while I feared you might end up like me. Not that it's completely horrible, but now that I'm not stuck home caring for my mother it would be nice to have someone to eventually travel with and otherwise share my life. I'm not going on long trips alone.

Today is the first anniversary of my mother's death. 😢 I'm not even close to normal again.
 

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I guess I took the part of your post about divorce out of context. Glad she's never married. It's better if you both have a similar experience level in that area.

And yes, the way things are going in the US, find a way to tie up up your affairs here, then run, don't walk, to Canada. If you can drag your family with you even better. Merc is right on that.

The more I hear the unhinged stuff Trump says, the more I feel like smacking anyone who voted for him in the face. PT Barnum was just proven right 77.3 million times.
 

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Reference to the point raised by jtr1962 about Japan and this aging situation I just ran into an NHK article that is interesting.

Well, let me be lazy and see if providing a translation link works here. Meaning, being lazy and not doing a translation myself. (Actually, Ms./Mr. Google has gotten very proficient at the translation of Japanese to English. English to Japanese still shows glitches, but that is just the weirdness of English, I think.)

介護事業者の倒産 去年170件余 過去最多に 物価高騰など影響か
2025年1月10日 6時09分

Over 170 nursing care business bankruptcies last year - the highest number ever - may be due to rising prices
January 10, 2025 6:09 AM

The 'Post Preview' seems to indicate that link for a Google translation will work.

Last two paragraphs are noteworthy:

倒産の要因としては、介護職員が不足して事業が継続できないことや、コロナ禍で経営が悪化し、介護用品や光熱費などの高騰が追い打ちを掛けたことなどが考えられるということです。
The reasons for the bankruptcies include a shortage of nursing care staff that made it impossible to continue business, the worsening of management due to the COVID-19 pandemic, and the soaring prices of nursing care supplies and utility bills.

東京商工リサーチは、「高齢化が進み介護の需要は高まっている一方で、地域によっては事業者の倒産で介護サービスが行き届かない所も出てきている。介護事業者どうしの協力や国などの支援が欠かせない状況だ」と指摘しています。
Tokyo Shoko Research points out that "While the demand for nursing care is increasing due to the aging population, some areas are lacking in nursing care services due to the bankruptcy of businesses. Cooperation between nursing care businesses and support from the government and others are essential."

< < < So why do I post this here, you may want to ask? > > >

I am interested to know what level of government participation you folks see in your locale? Local, state, or federal? Do government folks get seriously involved in helping older folks and such?

Well, I should qualify that question by stating that I am asking about government help provided outside of the VA. As a VFW member I already keep up with the various issues that arise in the administration of hospital care and such for veterans.

But for civilians; that is an area in the U.S. I have not kept up with.

Oh yes, and sorry to break into the discourse about everyone's beautiful love life and subsequent marital/partnership commitments with a question about us old folks, but I trust y'all will get back to that mighty interesting love/age mathematics equation. I've never run into that one on a personal level, but some of those posts are very interesting reads.
 

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I'm not running. I'm not going anywhere. Frankly, realistically, nowhere's really safe if he and his ilk don't want to see you continue to draw breath. And I have a feeling the rest of the world is about to get very hostile to Americans in general, in kind of a 'you made your bed now lay in it' sort of way. At this point I'm keeping my spare room ready for my dad in case he loses his disability benefit and ends up homeless.

ArAfGo, outside of veterans organizations and providing funding-related aid to nursing homes via Medicare and SSI pensions that go toward paying the cover costs of those living in them, government is very fond of pretending old folks just don't exist if they're civilians. Except for COVID vaccinations, they were really keen on getting those out to the elderly first as I recall. Seems like they only know/care if someone is alive insofar as they continue to or stop cashing their SSI checks.

It's ironic, the voting bloc that reliably gets out the most because they have nothing better to do, and once they vote someone in, all they get are politicians wanting to nuke their pensions and healthcare because its too expensive.
 
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Look. I respect that. My parents refused to leave NYC when things started going bad in the 1970s. They figured eventually it would turn around, which it did. Hopefully this too will pass. Before it does, I suspect Democrats are going to learn to love guns. Harsh language won't stop the Trump faithful carrying AR-15s.

I agree about the impending hostility towards Americans. Those trying to go elsewhere will get the same treatment we're giving Mexicans at the border.

Trump basically got voted in over the price of eggs, transgender girls in sports, and fear of migrants. His voting block never stopped to think about how his main priorities will be more tax cuts for the wealthy at the expense of everything else, except of course defense. Only good news is if we still have free and fair elections in 2 years a blue tsunami will sweep into Congress. I'm hoping for a veto-proof majority in the Senate so Trump is a figurehead his last two years, steaming while Democrats pass a laundry list of legislation the GOP hates. That will include huge tax hikes on the wealthy.
 

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Not so sure how much any of you folks know about small arms; and, yes, I view an AR type as "small arms" - - - but my view is that anyone who owns such a weapon is a lot less dangerous than the individual who is carrying around a sidearm. I sure don't know the stats, but I would suspect handguns are used by law breakers a lot more than those that own a weapon that requires more maintenance, for starters. All of them require attention, if you're going to keep one for any lengthy period of time. But the long barrels sure do need more care and expense to keep it in good condition.

Interesting, too, for a U.S. citizen to live in the ROK and then Japan and these two nations have super strict laws related to firearms. Now down in some of the southern areas of Asia things are a bit (or more) different.

But bad folks that want to hurt others just use knives or hammers or other type weapons. Just yesterday some student at a university in this western area of Kanto hit a bunch of other students with a hammer. About eight or nine students; don't remember the exact number. Not sure where the hammer came from. No loss of life, as of this morning's NHK site. Still, if a bad human wants to do harm to other humans, they'll figure out some weapon, no matter what the laws might be on the books to control weapons in a given community.

Anyway, my key point I meant to state before I started rambling on like an old fart, was I would be a lot more concerned with folks with sidearms than those with those long barrel types.

I seem to recall that lady vice-president told some media type she had a sidearm at home in California, yes? I imagine, though, California has really strict firearm control laws, yes? I remember back in the 70s I lived in Oklahoma (Ft. Sill) and firearms weren't so difficult to legally own. My wife and I lived out in the country for about six months or so and wildcats were a concern and we had a small 25 caliber just in case. I don't even remember if we had to register it with the local law enforcement. But that was way back and now the laws could be so different. It is still a state-by-state law thing, yes?

We have trouble with bears in too many areas around Japan. Seems to be getting worse. They are only looking for food, but not so great when they run into a human and get all freaked out. But going out into the country looking for mushrooms is also another trouble with the bear thing. Now I'm old and broken, so my mountain walk days are long over. My daughter saw an old monkey walk past our home in the hills back when she was really young. She came and got us, but that monkey didn't mind us one bit. Was very old, I think. Wild pigs are also a problem sometimes.

My goodness . . . sorry for the rambling on and on and on.
 

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I live in Gary, Indiana, which according to every republican in the USA, is second only to Fallujah in terms of ongoing threat to life. It's not. It has the bad marketing of being close to Chicago, another place with bad marketing regarding crime. The truth is that Chicago's per capita violent crime statistics are lower than places like Omaha, just as nearby Goshen, Indiana is considerably worse than Gary.

And here's the thing: Every insecure dumbass hick white guy around here is strapped. They're scared to even be within a 50km radius of my home town. You'll see guys open carrying a Glock at fucking Starbucks. Middle aged white woman who is dumbass hick's wife will have a .38 in their purse. Chances are, she's shot it three times and she's probably better off smacking someone with it than using it as a firearm.

I am far more scared of the anxious hicks than I am of somebody with a long gun of any sort. The guy robbing a liquor store with a shotgun knows what he's about (and it's not threatening random people for no reason), and if some MAGA doofus is so scared of life that they need to be out and about with an Armalite, that's like the bright red on a venomous reptile: a sign to be elsewhere. The dumbshits can get in an odd situation where for example they see that some Melanin-American is trying to get in their own house or car and decide that somehow represents a threat to their white-person safety. This shit happens all the time.

Handguns step on every last nerve I have and there's not a damned thing anyone can do about it. The tiny moral victory of "I told you so" when Trump fans shoot up a Yoga Studio because they can't get laid or kill an entire grade school isn't exactly the balm you'd think it is.
 

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Same thing with the ongoing hysteria about how dangerous the subway is. I took the subways to high school and college from 1977 through 1985. The earlier part of that period especially is when statistically subway crime reached all time highs not seen since. I sometimes passed through the Port Authority Bus Terminal in the early AM hours. Yes, I saw a bunch of sorry looking people but they were mostly harmless. I somehow got through all this as a teenager and young adult unscathed. So did every other person I know who rode the trains. So did my mother who worked in the subway in the 1970s. Compared to then it's like Disneyland, yet Fox News, the NY Post, every other right wing news source makes it like we're in the midst of Conquest of The Planet of The Apes.

Trump got in partly over this illogical hype of crime for ratings. And yeah, anyone who feels the need to carry a handgun in Gary or Chicago or NYC seriously needs a reality check. Last time it may have made a small amount of sense to do that was in the 1970s through early 1990s. Even then the benefit was questionable. I personally carried around a knife during that period. Never had to use it, although I took it out a few times. Thank goodness for NYCs gun laws because a bunch of untrained idiots carrying around handguns would have made things worse, not better. The NRA is against even having training requirements before you carry. I somehow think being able to hit your target should be a prerequisite of being allowed to own a firearm.

The irony of Trump narrowing missing getting killed by a gun-toting idiot seems to be lost on the MAGA crowd.
 

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I'm all-for responsible gun ownership, emphasis on responsible. Properly registered, properly maintained, with the correct licenses and certifications. There are certain legitimate contexts for gun ownership be they for sport or hunting, or even home defense -- I'm not saying people should welcome in burglars and home invaders with open arms. I just think the barrier to entry should be -- not higher -- just, enforced.

Whine about the 2A all you want, it was written in an era where the worst weapons anyone had commonly available were muzzleloading, or, perhaps, a brace of (muzzleloading) pistols for more shots. And they weren't nearly as reliable and capable of dealing death as they are today. For an example, both of the pistols that Richard Lawrence used to attempt to assassinate then-President Andrew Jackson in 1835 misfired.

I also think that there should be some form of universal gun control, because leaving it to the states and then having unrestricted travel between said states is precisely why those areas with tighter gun laws have such a thriving black market. I agree that criminals will get ahold of firearms anyway with the system as it is now -- so let's make it harder for them to do that by actually applying uniform enforcement of those laws.

And I do agree with holding parents who acquire weapons for their mentally ill children (who then use them to shoot up their schools) as responsible as if they'd pulled the trigger themselves. If that's what it takes to get them to think about the consequences of their actions, then it's what needs to happen.

I agree that being around people who feel a need to pack a pistol everywhere makes me more nervous than being in areas with "bad" crime rates. People say, jokingly, down here, that guns keep everyone polite, but if I'm not raising my voice to you when you do something stupid because I feel like I'll get shot if I do, that's not the good thing you think it is. Some people proudly wear it as a license to keep being stupid.
 

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Getting off the topic of firearms for just a sec: Better Offline is a podcast that had absolutely insane CES coverage. The host set up a hotel room and had journalists from basically every major Tech new site, plus oddballs like consumer advocates, local newspaper reporters, a physicist specializing in laser safety and a group of anarcho-socialist agitators show up in rotating half hour sessions to provide something like 15 hours of discussions about the show, the tech and the town over the last week. The overall vibe is that there are crap tons of people making things that have no reason to exist, plus enormous TVs that everyone loves. Even the journalists who had never been to a CES before were saying things like "I can't believe the future is such a hellhole" after the second day.

If you read the Verge or Engadget or Ars Technica, you've probably read work by some of the people who showed up for the conversations. It was very interesting.

I didn't realize they stopped doing the Adult Video convention at the same time in 2020, which was usually part of the mainstream coverage of CES. Major bummer, but we have one here in Chicago as well.
 

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I would seriously appreciate finding a group of people who would like to fully explore how it might be possible for humans to get a handle on ALL civilian firearms allowed. And I write that as "ALL" because I mean every human in every nation/community on this planet.

The trouble with that thought process in the paragraph above is 99.9% of the humans that might get the chance to read that paragraph will almost instantly go into a kind of "what nut wrote" that mode because trying to legislate the action of the entire planet is an idiot practice. Well, folks, meet that idiot.

My view is this control of civilians owning weapons is an entire Earth thing, not just a single-nation-problem.

BUT if one is to focus on the entire planet and civilian gun ownership in all nations, then one has to also take a look at how trustworthy the management is of uniformed folks that carry around weapons. That full package becomes quite daunting when addressed.

This would have to be a classic grass roots project with the view that the only way to get a handle on this would be if about two billion plus signatures could be gathered in enough nations on the planet that finally some sort of worldwide legislation could be put into play.

Okay, long-time members of this Community, and those that have only been here a decade, - - - do all of you think you have finally found a fully qualified Community Idiot? Me. Earth-wide gun control? Is that a complete idiot idea, or what?

Odd thing about humans, though, is that some of the most important changes in human activity on this planet have started from the most humble of beginnings.

I wonder what the rest of the group members thought of the first human that offered the idea that maybe that natural forest fire that just burned down our former grass huts could be controlled and even put to use for cooking this awful raw meat we are eating. Well, maybe it was some sort of raw root. In fact, even the idea of "cooking" would have been considered an idiot idea, right? Yep, humble beginnings. Like an online Community of just six hundred and sixty six humans. Well, maybe humans. Are there any bots in that number?

EDIT: So sorry, dibare, I didn't see that the number had increased by one and is now 667. And here is a newbie welcoming a newbie.
...........................................................................................................................................................EDIT #2: I think 'dibare' will soon be gone.
 
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We get these evangelical Hare Krishna Hindu guys in about once a year. Maybe it's the same guy? Anyway we'll chat with him for a while until he gets unpleasant. I like to discuss my sincerely held Yadzidi faith with them, which usually brings out the best in their arguments.

Re: gun, I'm a full time gun grabber. Jackbooted thugs going door to door confiscating property is A OK with me. I'd support an Aussie-like system where guns are kept in armories or something, or some kind of geofencing deal where the gun can only be fired in or around the owner's domicile, but the vast majority of planet earth works find with no fundamental right to firearms and that's something the US specifically should aspire to, along with rights to health care and access to clean air and water and actual equal protection under the law.
 

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You'll have to forgive me on one point, if we are to be serious about a given project, like I wrote about; we can't allow other matters to be put into the notes. You wonder what I mean?

If we are to focus on this gun thing and do it properly, we cannot throw in stuff about clean this-or-that, or health care.

We can't get two billion signatures about guns if we toss in other social issues. On that point I am sure.

Of course, we probably can't get that two billion signatures, anyway; but dreams sometimes do come true, so how about we hope?
 

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And I agree that the U.S. of A. is a mighty difficult nation in which to make this case. Gonna require a really special group of minds to accomplish that. Do we have that group here?
 

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We have a hard enough time getting member states to the United Nations not just treat the whole thing like a joke in recent times. I think Russia and China in particular would be uncooperative just as a matter of course -- because who would enforce international law and make sure that everyone involved is following it without the member states giving up some small amount of sovereignty in that deal (and no nation on Earth would go for that). That's if we could just get the US to cooperate on the issue and I guarantee that'd be like trying to piss in the wind without getting wet: impossible. I imagine it not being too different than betting on lightning striking the same place a few dozen times in a row -- the whole world? Probably a couple hundred more than that.

It's highly improbable that literally anything further will be done on the issue of gun control here stateside -- half the population thinks any attempt to enforce laws already on the books amounts to gestapo coming to seize their property as it is and there's a whole special-interest group (the NRA) fighting to keep it that way. Whether this is directly intended by the arms manufacturers or just a side effect of the military industrial complex, is up to interpretation, but I personally lean toward it being completely planned.
 

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sedrosken, you have given an excellent summary of a sane person's response, but I think you may have already realized that I am very close to the border of insane, if I'm not already over the line. Okay, maybe I have one foot on the other side of that sanity border.

But one thing has been in my brain for many years, and I have probably written this elsewhere in some form or another; if we humans survive on the planet for about another 300 hundred years or so, I think there will be just such an international agreement that civilians owning firearms is not necessary. Then it will only be one or two steps to go to bring a judicial reading into the picture and simply make it against the law for any civilian to own said firearms.

So my thinking is why not just hurry up the process of seeing that get done?

We are slowly heading down that road, so let's push a little harder.

And I think I am safe in asserting we are heading down that road, because it wasn't really that long ago in the U.S. when lots of folks could carry around a sidearm without needing to register it or in any way justify it. In fact, even the long barrels were allowed, I think.

Let's see, a canon was considered a weapon only allowed for government use at some point in time in the past in the U.S., yes? Maybe? Then after a bit some governing entities in the U.S. (federal, state, or local) decided maybe Richard Gatling's gun wasn't so cool to let a civilian cart around and I suppose that went into some law book. Maybe bomb type stuff got put into a law book as not so cool for a civilian to own. Again at some level of government, maybe federal. I don't have all the history of that stuff stuck in my head, never have, but I do think that slowly, even in the U.S., there has been this control of firearms and such, getting onto/into law books; so we are heading down that path. We just need to hurry it up a little bit.

There must be even a little bit of logic in that, no? I mean, if I have one foot on the sane side of the border.

As for your making note of the PRC and the Russian Federation, I think if we make it to another 300 years on the planet, we will either have put ourselves back into a sort of Stone Age or those nations will have their citizens getting those nations under their control and all those hotshot dictator types will have been long removed from the picture.

That is another path that humans seem to be slowly heading down. A whole bunch more nations have the citizens pretty much running the show with that democratic election idea than, say, about 200 years ago. We're getting there. I think.

You don't see any words from my typing that would indicate any of this would be easy. But I'd bet five cents/yen/won it's doable. [Yes, you're right; I didn't go as high as 5 dollars.]
 

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This is semi-relevant to the discussion:


Forget 300 years. What we do in probably the next 10 or 20 will decide our fate on one of two paths. I strongly feel it'll either be Mad Max or Star Trek, without much in between. Simply put, we need to stop the greedy 1% who think the rest of us exist solely to profit off our labor. If we do that, share the benefits of AI and automation among everyone, we'll create a paradise on this planet. If not, resource depletion and widespread poverty will end most of us. Democracy is the only way forward to stop the 1%. After all, the fact they're only 1% means in a true one person, one vote system they'll lose every time.

What does this have to do with gun control? Probably everything. In a world where everyone has a fairly high standard of living, there's no need to take from your neighbor. There's also no need to worry about arming yourself to stop your neighbor from stealing. Firearms and war will be seen as obsolete relics of a more primitive time.

Also, to get to this better world we'll probably eventually need to go with one world government. Regions can still retain their cultural differences but we'll need universal laws and protections which apply to every citizen on Earth.
 

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The future that the current political landscape looks like it will produce is one with a corporate aristocracy, where the properties of large businesses can supersede governance within their properties. This is kind of a common trope in dystopian cyberpunk fiction of the 80s and 90s, but it is becoming more and more real. For example, the current make up of the Supreme Court keeps removing the power of regulatory agencies to regulate and upholding property rights.

Snow Crash and Neuromancer both examined this to some degree. Corporations effectively become states. The truth is that the richest people on the planet right now could in fact outright buy small countries. Tuvalu has a GDP of ~$12M and a population of 12000. If Jeff Bezos came along and collectively offered the nation and each of its citizens $1M and another $50M for property held in public trust, it would be a rounding error of his net worth for him to assume the national identity of a sovereign nation, technically due the same rank on the world stage as King Charles. This philosophy is in line with the tech bro libertarian right, that the truly meritorious should be allowed to do as they please within the limits of their resources. To me it looks like they are going to get their way.
 

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That basically means anyone roughly 80 or older stands a good chance of dying of natural causes. The rest of us will be killed off by disease, famine, natural disasters, war, etc. Pretty depressing. I hope we change course.

Merc's post illustrates exactly the reason why tax laws should make accumulating more than a few tens of millions in wealth virtually impossible. Sure, we can argue about the number, but certainly billionaires shouldn't exist.
 

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Re: I'd support an Aussie-like system
Just an FYI for those that are not aware of how Australia works.

The basic requirements are that you are licensed first (need to complete a mandatory safety course and have a genuine reason - and self defence is not a reason), and then once licensed (takes 4-8 weeks from application), then apply for a permit to acquire (takes 1-2 weeks), and then once you have the permit, you can go out to purchase and own a long gun (typically bolt action or lever action, semi-auto rifles are heavily restricted to mainly primary-producers and professional pest controllers). Your license defines what you can own, not whether you are actually allowed to purchase it (that's the role of the permit to acquire, which you need 1 permit for each firearm, it's a mechanism to stop you from buying 50 rifles from 50 different places). Also all firearm trades must go through a registered dealer or broker (who report to the state's licensing body).

The process for a rifle/shotgun generally takes 3 months, from doing the initial safety course to being able to actually own a firearm. Firearms must be stored in a safe, with the action broken and ammunition stored separately when not in use.

The process for a handgun takes 9-12 months, as you need to be a member of a pistol/rifle sporting club, complete their courses and get a few forms filled out. Additionally in order to get a Cat H license (concealable firearms license) you need to be a member of a club for at least 6 months before you can apply for the license. Permits for handguns typically take longer as well, as the club also will approve the type of handgun as well. Having a Cat H license, also means you have to attend a number of qualified shooting events at a club as well each year. (typically 6+ shoots per year). Handguns also have barrel length and magazine capacity restrictions as well.

Police under the various State's Weapons Acts are allowed to do unannounced spot checks to ensure compliance, so they can come around at any time, inspect your storage and what firearms you have. Some states do have limits on the number of firearms you can own, but typically the responsible owners typically self limit to 2-3 rifles and for those that have a handgun license to 2-3 as well. Typically if on an inspection if found to have a larger number of rounds (10K+ total), you may get a formal "please explain" investigation as well, as it's recommended to only keep on hand what you need as well.

Generally for those in the sporting aspect, generally stick to the smaller calibres (ammo here is expensive), so you will never see any .50cal rifles, you typically wouldn't get approved to own one nor are there any ranges that can take the calibre. For example, the pistol club my son and I attend is limited to 22LR for rifles, or any non-magnum pistol calibres as the ranges themselves cannot safely handle anything bigger. If we wanted to run say .338 Lauper for 1000m shoots, then the closest range that can use that is a 2hr drive away, so that's a no go for us. As for shooting on public land (an online permit in most states) or for a farmer, both parties ultimately will have a say in what can be used where. (Bunny or fox hunting in result in being restricted to .223 at most, but typically 22LR or 22WMR).

Short note: "action broken" typically means the bolt has been removed or for a shogun, it's stored in the open position. Most states recommend a tigger lock to be applied as well. Detachable magazines must also not be stored in the firearm as well.

I'm happy with most aspects of Australia's firearm laws, as it tends to keep the dickheads out of the sport (due to the time factors involved), the only part that most people dislike is the ban on suppressors. But the fun fact, Australia has more firearm license holders and firearms out there now, than we had when the Port Arthur Massacre occurred. (This event is what lead to mass changes in Australian law, typically removal of semi-auto rifles and hand gun restrictions). Also our armed assault events (as reported by the police) typically involve bladed weapons and not firearms, so the numbers reflect that as well.

And to note, if you are not a law abiding citizen, then none of the above applies and you can generally get whatever is available on the black market.

Now, could the US adopt Australian style laws? I don't see that happening anytime soon, due to the number of firearms out there and would ultimately require a change to the 2nd Amendment, in defining what 'arms' actually entails. Remember, when the 2A was written, the invention of self-loading firearms was still a while off.
 
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