Hard Drive Trends (some jaw-dropping info ahead)...

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OK. I've been sitting on this info for about 6 months now. I don't believe I'm under NDA on this particular item. Nonetheless, I will only state that this is data from notes I took at a briefing from a respected 3rd party that shall not be revealed.

  • [*] Mobile 2.5-inch 4200 RPM ATA/SATA: New models Will cease to be introduced beyond the end of 2006.

    [*] Mobile 2.5-inch 5400 RPM ATA/SATA: New models Will continue to be introduced until at least 2010; 240 GB models should be introduced late-2006/early-2007.

    [*] Mobile 2.5-inch 7200 RPM ATA/SATA: New models Will continue to be introduced beyond 2010; 240 GB models should be introduced in early-2007.



    [*] Desktop 3.5-inch 5400 RPM ATA/SATA: As of 2005, this class of desktop drive is definitely a thing of the past -- no manufacturer has any plans to introduce new 5400 RPM drives for desktop usage ever again.

    [*] Desktop 3.5-inch 7200 RPM ATA/SATA: New models Will continue to be introduced beyond 2010; 640 GB models should be introduced mid-2006, 1 TB models should be introduced mid-2007.

    [*] Desktop 3.5-inch 7200 RPM ATA/SATA: New models Will continue to be introduced beyond 2010; 640 GB models should be introduced mid-2006, 1 TB models should be introduced mid-2007.



    [*] Enterprise 2.5-inch 10000 RPM SCSI/SAS/F-C: New models Will continue to be introduced until at least 2010; 150 GB models should be introduced late-2006; 300 GB models should be introduced late-2007.

    [*] Enterprise 2.5-inch 15000 RPM SCSI/SAS/F-C: New models Will continue to be introduced until at least 2010; this class of drive debuts with 36 GB models in late-2006; 73 GB models should be introduced mid-2007.



    [*] Enterprise 3.5-inch 10000 RPM SCSI/SAS/F-C (SATA?): New models Will continue to be introduced until at least 2008; 450 GB models should be introduced early-2007.

    [*] Enterprise 3.5-inch 15000 RPM SCSI/SAS/F-C: New models Will continue to be introduced until at least 2008; 300 GB models should be introduced mid-2006; 450 GB models should be introduced mid-2007.



    [*] Enterprise Near-Line 3.5-inch 7200 RPM SATA, FATA (SAS?): New models Will continue to be introduced until at least 2008; 640 GB models should be introduced late-2006, 1 TB models should be introduced late-2007.


TRENDS:

MOBILE: The trends are there are no surprises, as everyone who is familiar with the notebook computer market can tell you that 4200 RPM is as good as dead -- even now, 5400 RPM has quickly become the new baseline standard for hard drive storage, and 7200 RPM is becoming common.


DESKTOP: More of the same here. The parallel ATA hard drive will begin its already-forecasted major nosedive in 2006 as storage in new computers; SATA will be king. SATA CD/DVD drives should finally start appearing in significant numbers as well in 2006.


ENTERPRISE: High performance 3.5-inch form factor hard drive storage will apparently be seeing it's final chapter written before it's replaced by 2.5-inch high performance hard drive storage (probably right around 2009). What will hasten it's departure will be 3.5-inch near-line hard drive storage, as "enterprise storage" will largely begin to follow a two-tiered storage model, where large voluminous mirrored RAID-6 arrays will consist of 7200 RPM drive mechanisms with storage capacities of somewhere around 1 TB each will operate separately from higher performance storage arrays consisting of lower-capacity but higher-performing 2.5-inch drive mechanisms. The 2.5-inch enterprise 15000 RPM hard drive will finally make its debut in 2006.



NOTES:

No word on any sort of 10000 RPM 3.5-inch SATA timeline (i.e. -- Western Digital).

Also, no word on 2.5-inch SATA Desktop and Enterprise hard drives -- I know these are definitely in the works (some Enterprise SATA drives already announced by Fujitsu). It will likely turn out that Mobile hard drive models will simply get re-badged as "Desktop" models, but with a firmware revision to eliminate some of the performance-robbing power saving characteristics specific to mobile computing. Enterprise models would likely get a firmware revision to makes them play friendly with RAID environments and come along with an extra allocation of spare sectors. It's highly likely that all 2.5-inch SATA Desktop and Enterprise hard drives with spin at 7200 RPM.

And, for what it's worth, expect to see a major push of 10 Gb/s Ethernet in 2007 in the commercial space. We should finally see a precipitous price drop for 10-GbE starting in 2007, with 10-GbE even showing up integrated on many server-class mobos (once we have microprocessors, front-side busses, and integrated TCP/IP offload engines that can deliver that level of I/O throughput). I would expect to also see a Battle Royale between Fibre-Channel technologies and the less-expensive iSCSI / IP-SAN technologies at that point, with iSCSI / IP-SANs making huge gains across the board as 10-GbE rolls out in quantity.

 

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GIANT said:
  • [*] Desktop 3.5-inch 7200 RPM ATA/SATA: New models Will continue to be introduced beyond 2010; 640 GB models should be introduced mid-2006, 1 TB models should be introduced mid-2007.
Sorry, mentioned this above TWICE.


Forgot to mention in the NOTES section that I've heard nothing particularly definitive about when hard drives using perpendicular magnetic recording will be showing up in volume.

2006 will certainly see the first wave of hard drives using perpendicular magnetic recording technology -- likely Toshiba's tiny 0.85-inch hard drive first, with Toshiba and others releasing various 1.8-inch and 2.5-inch mobile drives, then desktop, and finally enterprise class hard drives. By the end of 2007 perpendicular magnetic recording will be widespread.

 

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So waht about akll teh craqppy 1.8" drives in small notebooks these days? Severla models are actyually regressing in perfoamce since the slyuggish drives are used.
 

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You know, Splash is only one of the sock puppet names. Guy's true name is Gary. I don't quite understand your apparent emotional attachment to that particular sock puppet name. I either call him by his real name or by the name of the sock puppet he is currently using.

I'm eager to see how the 15Krpm 2.5" drives will fare and how much power they will suck (and dissipate). Death to the 3.5" drives! Off with their GMR heads!
 

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Has anyone else noticed that CougTek is one of the most articulate members here, yet English is his second language and he hardly ever gets to speak it?

Impressive, Coug. More power to you.
 

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CougTek said:
You know, Splash is only one of the sock puppet names. Guy's true name is Gary.
This is only partially true. iGary is a sock puppet of Gary -- only, not Spalsh. Splash is simply the friendly sock puppet of all-conquering GIANT who has frequently been mislead by Computer Generated Baby into dumping large loads of pea gravel in the middle of the night on the front lawn at Iomega's headquarters in Utah. Of course, Computer Generated Baby is simply a computer-generated hologram produced by the plotting, always-scheming, cabalist Platform, but then again Platform begot the dutiful but arrogant and frequently mercurial Dïscfärm which begot the ever-debonaire Explorer which in turn caused a Zeitriß since Explore begot Platform to expropriate the virtual sock puppetry services of Corvair in order to extend his control over the enigmatic, psychic, fifth degree black-belt, french chef Onomatopoeic... and the rest is too confusing for residents of this universe to understand. So there. Sock puppets in charge of other sock puppets that are in charge of other sock puppets, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.



I'm eager to see how the 15Krpm 2.5" drives will fare and how much power they will suck (and dissipate). Death to the 3.5" drives! Off with their GMR heads!

They will use slightly less power -- not a *lot* less power. This is what's happening now with the first generation of 2.5-inch 10kRPM drives. As good as the performance bump is turning out to be, the HOT topic with Enterprise 2.5-inch is actually volumetric storage density. You can get a bit more storage into a given amount of rack space using 2.5-inch drives. Thermals and power usage are a slightly better -- cost is not better (at least in 2005).


LOST6200 said:
So waht about akll teh craqppy 1.8" drives in small notebooks these days?

I heard NOTHING about 1.8-inch (46mm) hard drives. These are certainly going to hang around for a while and get the Perpendicular treatment pretty early on. Interestingly enough, it seems there's no plan in the immediate future by anyone to push full-sized (i.e. -- common) notebooks away from the 2.5-inch hard drive towards the 1.8-inch hard drive. I think a lot of people are still complaining about the lack of storage capacity in notebooks.

Occasionally, I've advocated the invention of a deluxe "fault tolerant" notebook computer that uses a RAID-1 or Shadow Copy scheme using a drive pair based on 1.8-inch hard drives. Mobile hard drives tend to be unreliable for a lot of reasons. Some sort of continuous data protection really is needed with these hard drives -- unless 40 GB Flash drives can be made inexpensively.



Groltz! You're busted (again).

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I never did like this particular Black Sabbath album (from the late '70s), but I always thought the cover art was funny as hell.
 

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It took you long enough, Gary.

You are the only one in here that I thought would recognize it.

...And you're right, I liked the cover better than the music.
 

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time said:
Has anyone else noticed that CougTek is one of the most articulate members here, yet English is his second language and he hardly ever gets to speak it?

That's the funny thing about the vast majority of ESL folks. They write like masters of the English language, but sound like morons in person. It's no reflection upon intelligence, but it's far easier to come across as having intimate knowledge of a language on paper than standing in front of an audience.
 

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CougTek said:
You know, Splash is only one of the sock puppet names. Guy's true name is Gary. I don't quite understand your apparent emotional attachment to that particular sock puppet name. I either call him by his real name or by the name of the sock puppet he is currently using.

I'm eager to see how the 15Krpm 2.5" drives will fare and how much power they will suck (and dissipate). Death to the 3.5" drives! Off with their GMR heads!

REALLY???

It's a habit of the wise: they like to talk to the most intelligent one present. In this case, since dolphins have a larger brain then we do, and, have a larger brain then we do, weight vs. brain matter wise, and, despite this superiority, show us inferior beings great respect, and tolerance, I have great reverance for them, as I do with Killer Whales.

gs
 

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Groltz said:
It took you long enough, Gary. You are the only one in here that I thought would recognize it...

Well, I recognised your avatar within a second. However, I haven't been to the StoFo in several weeks until the other day.

So, the cat-and-mouse game continues where I guess your avatar, then you immediately change it, correct? <chuckle>



Santilli said:
...have a larger brain then we do, weight vs. brain matter wise, and...

MASS not weight. Besides, how do you know I don't have 30% raw squid for brains? :lol:


...have great reverance for them, as I do with Killer Whales.

uh... politically incorrect statement... Orcas, not Killer Whales. (ACLU)


 

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From the eweek article linked above :
A hybrid hard drive with a relatively small amount of flash—as little as 128MB—can cut the power consumption of drive by about 95 percent, giving notebooks as much as an extra 30 minutes of battery life, while also reducing the boot time of Windows XP to as little as 15 seconds
Who's the last one who said larger cache amounts for hard drives were useless?
 

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Explorer said:
Groltz said:
It took you long enough, Gary. You are the only one in here that I thought would recognize it...

Well, I recognised your avatar within a second. However, I haven't been to the StoFo in several weeks until the other day.

So, the cat-and-mouse game continues where I guess your avatar, then you immediately change it, correct? <chuckle>



Santilli said:
...have a larger brain then we do, weight vs. brain matter wise, and...

MASS not weight. Besides, how do you know I don't have 30% raw squid for brains? :lol:


...have great reverance for them, as I do with Killer Whales.

uh... politically incorrect statement... Orcas, not Killer Whales. (ACLU)



I guess when you get in the water, you have to have respect for things that don't eat you, either by instinct, or choice. Likewise, while surfing within in eyesight of a known Great White Shark playground, I'm really
grateful they don't do a few kicks of the tail, and visit or little beach. If White sharks had us on the menu, well, surfers would be the endangered spieces in Kalifornia...

Besides, Splash was, for me, by far the most original, and fun sock puppet Gary has come up with. But, that's just me, and last time I looked, it didn't bother Gary, much...;-)

gs
 
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