Bozo
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Is it posible to install the new MAC OS, Leopard, on a computer running Intel hardware? Or is it locked somehow?
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ddrueding
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It is locked somehow. IIRC, it has something to do with a different BIOS type.
Bozo
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Hmmmm....I wonder if it would run as a virtual OS in VMware or similar.
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ddrueding
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IIRC, there are a number of VM images around of OSX. Of course, you have to look in seedier places.
Chewy509
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Intel based Apple Mac use EFI based firmware rather than the contemporary BIOS we know, and all their boards have a TPM chip that the Mac kernel looks for.
So if you can find a non-Apple x86 motherboard that has a EFI based BIOS and implements a hacked TPM chip with Apple PKIs, sure you can install Mac OS X on a non-Apple PC.
So if you can find a non-Apple x86 motherboard that has a EFI based BIOS and implements a hacked TPM chip with Apple PKIs, sure you can install Mac OS X on a non-Apple PC.
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Long and short, answer is no, get a Mac if you want to run a superior OS, lol.
Speak for yourself, BIOS is not contemporary, it's legacy = old, obsolete. At any rate Leopard (OSX 10.5) runs on PPC Mac's also, PPC Macs are not EFI based. You'd also need a hack for the installer, or would need to clone a copy on a HD installed/connected on a computer that the installer will install to. The installer checks for correct hardware, so that even though 10.5 will run on a Mac of 867Mhz and slower, Apple fixed the installer to refuse to install on any Apple system that does not have an 867Mhz or faster CPU. The claim is that 10.5 isn't responsive enough in Apple's opinion, to run on slower systems...other Mac owners running on old 800Mhz PPC iBooks disagree.
MAC = In computer networking a Media Access Control address (MAC address) Mac = short for Macintosh
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAC_address
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extensible_Firmware_Interface
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Fatwah on Western Digital
Bozo:
It's very possible to run OSX on a standard PC. I've had it running at different times. You just need to find a proper, cracked installation ISO. I haven't seen one yet for the new Leopard release, but I'm sure it's out there. You're best off with an Intel chipset and an Intel CPU (945 or 965 are often thought to work best), but Athlons do also work.
Actually, I take that back, as I can see a 1.86GB download 10.4.10 available on Demonoid.com right now.
Uda:
I didn't read your whole post, but I would like to point out that OSX is a closed system with very little history of available free software, which is graphically sluggish (just like Vista!) and in my mind, it offers no particular advantage over using a well built desktop Linux distro such as SuSE or even Ubuntu. PC users making the move to OSX face exactly the same "How do I...?" questions that Linux users do, and at this point both systems offer the security panacea of being not-Windows. The difference? A linux user can get a modern, operable computer with a $100 Ebay reject, and the Mac user just paid $1500 Cool Tax so Steve Jobs could buy a new black turtleneck.
It's very possible to run OSX on a standard PC. I've had it running at different times. You just need to find a proper, cracked installation ISO. I haven't seen one yet for the new Leopard release, but I'm sure it's out there. You're best off with an Intel chipset and an Intel CPU (945 or 965 are often thought to work best), but Athlons do also work.
Actually, I take that back, as I can see a 1.86GB download 10.4.10 available on Demonoid.com right now.
Uda:
I didn't read your whole post, but I would like to point out that OSX is a closed system with very little history of available free software, which is graphically sluggish (just like Vista!) and in my mind, it offers no particular advantage over using a well built desktop Linux distro such as SuSE or even Ubuntu. PC users making the move to OSX face exactly the same "How do I...?" questions that Linux users do, and at this point both systems offer the security panacea of being not-Windows. The difference? A linux user can get a modern, operable computer with a $100 Ebay reject, and the Mac user just paid $1500 Cool Tax so Steve Jobs could buy a new black turtleneck.
Bozo
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Thanks Merc.
I think I'm more curious than anything. The closest Apple store is over an hour away. I was there last year and I must say they have nice stuff, but WAY overpriced. The only reason I went in was to see the cases. The company I work for makes the aluminum for the cases, but I never saw the finished product. We just supply the aluminum in large rolls. (80" dia, 60" wide, ~20,000lbs)
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I think I'm more curious than anything. The closest Apple store is over an hour away. I was there last year and I must say they have nice stuff, but WAY overpriced. The only reason I went in was to see the cases. The company I work for makes the aluminum for the cases, but I never saw the finished product. We just supply the aluminum in large rolls. (80" dia, 60" wide, ~20,000lbs)
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ddrueding
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Damn, I think "large rolls" is a bit of an understatement. That is a crap-load of aluminum.
jtr1962
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Basically, that's my take on Apple stuff as well. Sure, very nice industrial design, cool factor, etc. but the price and proprietary everything are the big show stopper. Yes, it looks better, perhaps is made better, but not worth the extra $ for most people. As Merc said, if you want something non-Windows some flavor of Linux is your best bet.
The publiser we used last haad a whole whole bunch of macs - each set up with the 30' displays. There was soem big, fast storage syetms (not mac thoughz) moving the fiels along hundreds of megabots/sec. I think the cost of Mac workstations is not he big problemo for buinesses.
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Fatwah on Western Digital
Lack of availability of MS Outlook and MS Access probably do hurt it as a business platform. I don't really think either is a big deal, but an awful lot of business type people would disagree with me.
Fushigi
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Lost, I'm not sure what a megabot is :cheese: but you are correct that the cost of a workstation is relatively trivial to a business. Unlike consumers a business will justify the cost by the anticipated productivity gains that can be achieved. Also, the cost is generally spread across multiple years either by a capital depreciation or by simply not buying new machines every year.
For instance, where I work we buy PCs, notebooks, and servers from Dell. We buy thousands every year. All of them are purchased with Dell Gold support and a 3 year warranty. NBD on site for non-servers and same-day 4 hour for servers. When the warranty expires so does the machine so servers & workstations are basically replaced every three years. So while the $3600 notebook I just requested sounds expensive, it comes out to only $1200 a year. Even less when you factor that the LCD should last through 2 machines (monitors are subject to the 3-year rule).
For a point of comparison, $1200 a year is what my company is paying for my cell phone plan.
Anyway, the cost to administer and support a workstation is generally considered to be far higher than the cost of the hardware & software. Especially when you add in the infrastructure that the workstation will require - LAN printers, file/print servers, Internet pipe, WAN connection, other servers/network devices.
For instance, where I work we buy PCs, notebooks, and servers from Dell. We buy thousands every year. All of them are purchased with Dell Gold support and a 3 year warranty. NBD on site for non-servers and same-day 4 hour for servers. When the warranty expires so does the machine so servers & workstations are basically replaced every three years. So while the $3600 notebook I just requested sounds expensive, it comes out to only $1200 a year. Even less when you factor that the LCD should last through 2 machines (monitors are subject to the 3-year rule).
For a point of comparison, $1200 a year is what my company is paying for my cell phone plan.
Anyway, the cost to administer and support a workstation is generally considered to be far higher than the cost of the hardware & software. Especially when you add in the infrastructure that the workstation will require - LAN printers, file/print servers, Internet pipe, WAN connection, other servers/network devices.
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http://www.macnn.com/articles/07/10/29/leopard.running.on.pcs/
*note* I was going to write a much longer post something like this: "I guess I was wrong"
...but somehow that seemed too long worded/winded for the ADD, 5min attention span of the average consumer like How's. So I just put the link above and leave you to all guess what it's there for, lol
*note* I was going to write a much longer post something like this: "I guess I was wrong"
...but somehow that seemed too long worded/winded for the ADD, 5min attention span of the average consumer like How's. So I just put the link above and leave you to all guess what it's there for, lol
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Fatwah on Western Digital
Lifehacker's article on how to put together a Hackintosh. Has some issues - the author admits to not-too-surprising difficulties with an Asus motherboard and a bog-standard C2D CPU, but it's fairly complete.