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We have to advocate and educate, or the situation will only get worse. Windows has been the Free Software Foundation's hobgoblin for the last several decades, but iOS is many, many times worse and even fewer people seem to care.
 

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You are advocating for the Google and against Apple? Maybe you should be advocating for better interoperability between them.

It's not clear if your community is a physical municipality or randomly located people with a common interest like a church group.
Either way you might want to buy a cheaper 2nd phone to communicate more smoothly with the iPhoners and then communicate with your tech-savvy friends on the Google Andorids.
 

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I'll defer to your experience on the images issue. I don't send them often enough to know, and when I do, they're usually either screenshots or not actually photos taken by my camera. I wouldn't know.

The messaging thing is quite annoying I'll grant, but I think you overblow the color palette issue, or at least the palette for iMessage is just as unreadable -- I don't have any more or less trouble reading white-on-blue than green-on-blue. If one has a colorblindness issue, I believe it's configurable as an accessibility option. It's also worth noting that you've got it backwards, messages sent TO non-Apple users are white-on-green, messages received from any source are whatever the default is for light or dark mode as you have it set -- I think that's black-on-gray and white-on-black respectively?

I will readily agree with you on the status/cult point -- it is frankly ridiculous that my generation and beyond has dumbed it down so much. Especially when a flagship Samsung will cost you as much or more. Not that I think any of them should cost as much as they do. The cult-like tendencies of Apple users at large is frankly rather disturbing.

Another point I will easily grant you is the file browsing experience. It really is rather subpar. But the fact of the matter is, even on Android, I just don't need to get as deep into the nitty-gritty filesystem, pretty much full-stop. The most intensive thing I do is something it readily supports -- copying files into my VLC library. Do I wish it were a folder and not some bizarre container? Sure. Is it going to kill me if it isn't? No.

The keyboard issue is subjective -- it annoyed me at first, but I've gotten used to it. It helps that you can hold down the symbol key, hit your symbol, release and it'll go back to the main keyboard. makes using it one-handed annoying, yes, and especially since phones are so tall now I wish I could at least pop a number row up top, but the swipe typing on offer is literally the best I've used hands-down and the dictation is damn near spot-on, which given my southern twang is a feat. And if that's not good enough for you, I hear you can even use alternative keyboards now. I think I saw Swype and Gboard when I was scrolling in the App Store looking for something else.

Yes, the only available browser engine on iOS is Safari. Yes, I think that's utterly asinine. That's all I have to say on the subject other than it ought to be illegal, and I think in the strictest definition it might well be. It sounds like the kind of shit Microsoft got sued for in the 90s, only even worse. Hopefully getting dunked on in the EU will make Apple relax a little on this front.
 

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Swype with Dragon is the all time champion for on screen keyboards, but Microsoft bought it and killed it, and the APK can't be installed on the S24 (or Tablet S9) at all. It had free dictionary imports and stored and synchronized the words on your Swype account, which is massively important for people who have to type a lot of jargon. It also had easy and natural shortcuts for adding punctuation and for cut, copy and paste. Nothing else is even close.

Gboard is the replacement I won't even pretend to be happy to have, but at least it allows exports and has a relatively straightforward import process that I can quickly repeat when I get new devices. So far as I can tell, no other mainstream keyboard does both. Fuck me for wanting the other things Swype did.

The most intensive thing I do is something it readily supports -- copying files into my VLC library. Do I wish it were a folder and not some bizarre container? Sure. Is it going to kill me if it isn't? No.

Something that I do is copy a set of notification noises into the appropriate folder on a new device so that they can be used OS-wide. The relevant folder is /Android/media/com.google.android.gm/alarms or notifications or ringtones. These files become discoverable to SecSoundPicker, the system application for picking beeps and boops and putting things there minimizes the work I have to do to set those sounds. I use these specific sounds that have held their meaning to me for over a decade now, and I rely on them coming from my Android devices to tell me if something important is happening. Having the comfort to control files that are someplace commonly understood to be an OS-specific folder is important to me. There's no way in hell iOS will ever give users that level of control. iOS doesn't even let end users see all of their own folders full of photos via its file interface. iOS is fundamentally broken. It's one size fits some at best, and that is my most charitable assessment.

LM, regarding photo sharing: My observation is that most content creators are VERY set in their ways. Photo sets are most often shared via Dropbox or iCloud, shown to the public via something like Instagram or Facebook or maybe Vero and individually using either iMessage or possibly Snapchat. I have encountered an unwillingness to even attempt to communicate with someone who says no to all those things. This is part of cult behavior as far as I can tell. The entrenchment and intransigence of iOS users is part of the reason dealing with it is so maddening.

(Technically, I do have an iCloud because I have an Apple account, but you can count on two fingers the number of times I've ever looked at it; it's tied to my professional email rather than anything personal)

You are advocating for the Google and against Apple? Maybe you should be advocating for better interoperability between them.

It's not clear if your community is a physical municipality or randomly located people with a common interest like a church group.
Either way you might want to buy a cheaper 2nd phone to communicate more smoothly with the iPhoners and then communicate with your tech-savvy friends on the Google Andorids.

Google is by no means perfect, but it is Apple that is wrong and it is Apple and its cult that needs to change. And its developers, analysts and business directors should be apologizing to humanity for the toxicity they have enabled. There is no circumstance where I would willingly use an iOS device on an ongoing basis. Anything more than transferring data off of one is asking too much. Apple has created a communication device that is an impediment to communication.
 

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There's no need to describe other opinons as being a cult. :LOL: Life is too short to make every silly software into a big thing.
 

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You clearly didn't take part in the Amiga vs. Atari wars. I still hate Atari ST.
I have no clue what that means. I have an Atari 2600 somewhere, but it was for the primitative games.
I used the Commoder 64K at work that ran some process equipment in the 1980s.
 
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It's my professional and personal opinion that every platform has some critical flaw or another, and that you should use what works for you.

It's like voting. One side is moderately incoherent and can't get its act together enough to get anything worthwhile accomplished. The other side thinks prison camps are dreamy and loves words like "Ethnostate."
 

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I have no clue what that means. I have an Atari 2600 somewhere, but it was for the primitative games.
I used the Commoder 64K at work that ran some process equipment in the 1980s.

For context, primarily outside the US (PC was king even back then here, though the Commodore 64 and Apple ][ were also doing very well), during the mid-to-late-80s there was a bit of a platform holy war between users of the Atari ST and the Commodore Amiga. Humorously, by that point, Jack Tramiel and most of the engineering staff had jumped ship... from Commodore... to Atari. The Amiga team was originally a separate company that first appealed to Atari... then got in with Commodore.

Both machines were based on the Motorola 68000, but while the ST had pricing and interesting features on side (native MIDI support in 1985-6 is an interesting concept), the Amiga was a graphics and sound powerhouse of the era and rapidly got much, much cheaper with the release of the Amiga 500 a couple years later. PCs didn't really catch up until the release of the Gravis Ultrasound and Super VGA was common.
 
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I'm amazed you are so knowledgeable about the history. As a perspective for you, I never had a home computer until the 90s. Most people in my age group that I knew did not have one either until the late 80s-early 90s. The younger people had something like what you mentioned and used them for school (word processing like writing papers, doing engineering maths, and some 2D line diagrams, etc.).
 

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It was not a bit of a fight, ot was really serious business. Almost as bad as soccer supporters in Europe, but without physical fighting. :)

I had both the C64 and Amiga 500, they were really nice computers, the Amiga had specialized chipsets for graphics, sound and MMU (Denise, Paula & Agnus).

And I'm sorry for hijacking the phone thread.
 

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It seems there are some complaints about the S24+ yet there are probably some about any new model.
The A55 announcement is imminent, but it is projected to be only a minor upgrade over the A54.
A problem is that the "work" phone is the A53 and the A54 is the "personal" phone.
 

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There are people complaining that specifically the Vivid mode isn't as vivid as it was on the S23 models. and some people think the battery life isn't any better. Coming from an S20 with an old battery, I can't say. I just wish I had an SD slot.

The A5x phones are never going to be the showpiece status symbols but they are the culmination of years of lessons that got applied first to Samsung S phones. They don't need to be updated anything like annually. They're just a good general purpose fit.
 

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I have a feeling that Vivids is just awful. Without a Loupe, it's unlikely that I could see the difference between 1080 and 1440 on a 6.5' display if that's the main difference. Is it possible to calibrate any of the Samsung smartphone displays with a Datacolor Spyder, i1Display (Calibrite), etc.?

Looking at it conversely, is there anything other than the SD slot that is lost in the S24+ compared to the A55 such as battery life? I'm not fan of that inductive charging setup in the phone. I'd rather have a larger battery capacity.
 

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The A5x don't have flagship Qualcomm SoCs, nor quite as much RAM. I can't directly compare the battery life myself. I usually end a day at 50 - 60% battery life, though I seldom let it drop below 30%.

I don't see any way to adjust the display colors except that there's an adaptive mode that uses the phone's cameras to continuously adjust the colors. I don't care THAT much, although I do leave it in standard rather than vivid color.
 
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