[NEWS] - ATM to use Windows in 3 years

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By 2005, 65 percent of bank ATMs (not including free-standing machines in places like convenience stores and casinos) in the United States will use a stripped-down version of Windows. About 12 percent of the machines will use the operating system by the end of this year,...

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While the infamous blue screen of death may haunt many desktop computer users, the banking industry and security experts dismiss the fear that someone will break into Windows-powered ATMs to empty bank accounts. For one, the ATMs will use a stripped-down version of Windows NT that is quite different from the software on desktop computers.
Hackers to bank cutomers : all your dollars are belong to us.

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I work with NT and Embedded 2000-based POS (not vomit boxes) systems from time to time. ATMs aren't that different from those.

Some of my Bank's ATMs (BankOne) in Northwest Indiana are Windows based, too, albeit different-looking from the one in the picture above.
 

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I remember back in 1999 or so, when flat-panel displays were even more expensive than they are now, and when 16:9 displays were insanely expensive, parts of Toronto's main airport started using them to display flight arrival/departure information.

I laughed out loud as I walked past display after expensive display that, to their credit, did display the current departure and arrival times, but also displayed - in a modal dialog box that took up a huge chunk of the center of each screen - "Service Control Manager. One or more services failed at start up."

I wish I'd had a camera. The airport was full of people walking past the things. They were everywhere; it really made me laugh.
 

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CRYPTIC ATM MESSAGE:

There has been a critical error at address 3BD7:56A9 in the module bankteller.vxd. It may be possible to continue and obtain your money by pressing ENTER. If that fails you may restart the machine by pressing CTRL+ALT+DEL. Please note that this will cause the current transaction to be lost.


TRANSLATION:

You're f*cked. The ATM just crashed and the money you withdrew was deducted from your account even though you never got it. It has been a pleasure doing business with you.
 

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At the grocery stores and stores like3 walmart/k-mart we've had self checkout machines for years.. they seem to use either NT4.x or win98. I see the win98 ones crash from time to time.
 

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I wonder what "OS" those ATMs run at the moment? I think this would just be one step closer to SkyNet...

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The error is: "Slut på virtuellt minne"
That would be something like: Out of virtual memory!
You have to end some programs to free up more memory......
 

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Tea said:
Typicaly OS/2, Jan.

Are You sure? Or was the smiley lost during submitting? I do find that quite odd, I would have bet on some sort of stripped version of Unix.

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That's one thing I don't understand.. why strip windows? what are you left with?

The only thing I can think of is the GUI APIs that windows programmers are used to.

Why don't you just use *nix. It requires less RAM and less other resources and is made for thin client machines which ATMs could easily be.

Granted, a stripped down version of windows probably has alot less security holes than normal windows (after all it's usually those extra services installed by default that are creating the security holes) but I would still think *nix would be more stable and more secure in addition to being cheaper both at a hardware and software level.
 

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Oh, quite sure, Jan. Did you ever wonder how OS/2 got better than 10% of the O/S market for quite some time and yet you hardly ever saw it on desktop machines? It was huge in the banking market. No GUI, of course, and it's all locked down with a custom front end. ATMs were a major OS/2 stronghold. Doubtless they still are in some organisations. Banks like stability.

It gets used for a lot of locked-down point-of-sale stuff too.
 

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Tea said:
Oh, quite sure, Jan. Did you ever wonder how OS/2 got better than 10% of the O/S market for quite some time and yet you hardly ever saw it on desktop machines? It was huge in the banking market. No GUI, of course, and it's all locked down with a custom front end. ATMs were a major OS/2 stronghold. Doubtless they still are in some organisations. Banks like stability.

It gets used for a lot of locked-down point-of-sale stuff too.

I was thinking: If one uses Windows without the GUI, wouldn't that be DOS then? Graphics in ATM is pointless, so it should work without any GUI.

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Jan Kivar said:
I was thinking: If one uses Windows without the GUI, wouldn't that be DOS then?
Not for Windows NT, Windows 2000/XP/Server 2003. Those aren't based on DOS like Win 9X used to be.
 

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CougTek said:
Jan Kivar said:
I was thinking: If one uses Windows without the GUI, wouldn't that be DOS then?
Not for Windows NT, Windows 2000/XP/Server 2003. Those aren't based on DOS like Win 9X used to be.

Windows without windows: what is it then?

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Honold kinda tries to prove it here...

Look for the quote that Blake did made in that thread few posts lower, it has the unmodified version...

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IIRC, you can set the shell for 2000 in HKLM> Software> MS> Windows> Currentversion> WinLogon

Change it to cmd.exe and you should be dropped to a shell post-logon. No explorer bar or anything (unless you started explorer after the fact).

The Office Toolbar also makes a nice, lightweight shell.
 

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Mercutio said:
IIRC, you can set the shell for 2000 in HKLM> Software> MS> Windows> Currentversion> WinLogon

Change it to cmd.exe and you should be dropped to a shell post-logon. No explorer bar or anything (unless you started explorer after the fact).

The Office Toolbar also makes a nice, lightweight shell.

But won't that still run in graphical mode?

Jan
 
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