The President's Rumsfeld Lie
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Bozo
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You can't be that naive to think he is the only politician to lie.
That's the number one prerequisite to become a politician.
The all time winners of lieing have to be Bill Clinton and Richard Nixon.
Bozo :joker:
That's the number one prerequisite to become a politician.
The all time winners of lieing have to be Bill Clinton and Richard Nixon.
Bozo :joker:
Stereodude
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Who cares? The situation changed quite a bit between the time of the two remarks.
Clearly he's throwing Rummy overboard because the Democrats won both houses and they want his head on a platter. If the Dems hadn't won I think he would have stayed around.
Stereodude
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Besides, I though all the democrats and liberals wanted was Rummy gone. Now that he's gone they want to sit and complain about the president "lying" to them. I would think they would be celebrating his departure and moving on to the next head they want on a platter.
Mercutio
Fatwah on Western Digital
I'd love to see Bush's head on a platter. Literally. Or the end of a sharp stick. Whichever.
Bozo, President Clinton lied about an affair with his wife. Bush and his administration lied to send US troops to a foreign country where their lives were imperiled and he is mortgaging the US economic future to keep troops there. There is simply no moral equivalence between those two things.
Bozo, President Clinton lied about an affair with his wife. Bush and his administration lied to send US troops to a foreign country where their lives were imperiled and he is mortgaging the US economic future to keep troops there. There is simply no moral equivalence between those two things.
Stereodude
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You're very correct.
Bush did what was right and Clinton did what was immoral (cheating on his wife). And, before you tell me how Bush and everyone lied about all the WMD in Iraq. Explain this. Even the NYT now admits Iraq had a nuclear weapons program prior to the US invading. So, now where is the lie?
Mercutio
Fatwah on Western Digital
What color is the sky in your world, Stereodude?
Stereodude
Not really a
I can't say your response is surprising. I didn't really expect you to address the facts.
ddrueding
Fixture
Clinton's job description did not include "not cheating on his wife". Bush's job description does include "not cheating the people who elected him". Lying to cover a personal indiscretion is irrelevant in the grand scheme, lying to everyone because you think it will give you a political advantage is quite wrong.
But I do admit; I'm not in the least surprised. Politicians lying is hardly anything new.
But I do admit; I'm not in the least surprised. Politicians lying is hardly anything new.
Bozo
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I didn't say what they lied about, but off the top of my balding head....
Teddy Roosevelt lied to the public and congress about our involvement in the coup in Panama. He was secretly financing it so we could build the Panama canel.
FDR lied to congress and the public when he said we would not help England with arms and ammunition (we would remain nuetral). Under the Lend/Lease act, he was shipping arms and amunitions to England in crates labeled as 'machine parts'. And some of it was in passenger ships.
FDR also lied about the bombing of Pearl Harbor. He knew it was going to happen, and didn't do anything.
JFK lied about his extra-martal affairs while in office. But he was smarter than Slick Willie. Congress didn't try to Impeach him. He also lied about the Bay of PIGS.
While in Vietnam I listened to (on armed forces radio) President Johnson lie to the people of the US about what was happening there and about his war plans.
And then there is Nixon......
Reagan lied about Iran-Contra deals.
All polititions are pond scum and lie, lie, lie.
Bozo :joker:
Teddy Roosevelt lied to the public and congress about our involvement in the coup in Panama. He was secretly financing it so we could build the Panama canel.
FDR lied to congress and the public when he said we would not help England with arms and ammunition (we would remain nuetral). Under the Lend/Lease act, he was shipping arms and amunitions to England in crates labeled as 'machine parts'. And some of it was in passenger ships.
FDR also lied about the bombing of Pearl Harbor. He knew it was going to happen, and didn't do anything.
JFK lied about his extra-martal affairs while in office. But he was smarter than Slick Willie. Congress didn't try to Impeach him. He also lied about the Bay of PIGS.
While in Vietnam I listened to (on armed forces radio) President Johnson lie to the people of the US about what was happening there and about his war plans.
And then there is Nixon......
Reagan lied about Iran-Contra deals.
All polititions are pond scum and lie, lie, lie.
Bozo :joker:
ddrueding
Fixture
Stereodude: Your link to Fox News (hardly a "fair and balanced" news organization, BTW). Talks about 500 degraded chemical weapons. We already knew that they had had weapons in the past. That's hardly worth invading for.
Every other sentance in that paper includes "believe", "could", or "want"...not conclusive evidence of anything.
Every other sentance in that paper includes "believe", "could", or "want"...not conclusive evidence of anything.
Stereodude
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Of course... How silly of me. I didn't realize that who was hosting the PDF file has a direct link to it's accuracy. You must have missed the fact that it's a scan of a fax from the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence.
That's odd though... Nearly everyone in the media and on the democrat side of the isle keeps reporting that there were no WMDs in Iraq. Now you say that "we already knew..."
ddrueding
Fixture
The comment about Fox was merely an observation, not pertinent to the rest of my post. Obviously I did read the fax, as I observed that the only "WMDs" they found were degraded chemical weapons. So they were old and not nuclear. Of course we knew he used to have chemical weapons; he's being tried for using them. In the 80s. Not now. No evidence of current projects or viable warheads was found.
On top of that, this is only evidence that he used to have chemical weapons. BFD. Where are the nukes?
On top of that, this is only evidence that he used to have chemical weapons. BFD. Where are the nukes?
sechs
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I'm curious if anyone here actually read the blog entry.
ddrueding
Fixture
I didn't.
ddrueding
Fixture
Ahh...so the blog entry is on the Post softening it's observation that the president lied. Got it.
sechs
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Would anyone like to start the conversation over again?
ddrueding
Fixture
I would, but now is a bad time. I'm just waiting for the rain to stop so I can crawl under my car and see whats broken 
sechs
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That's what you get for driving a car.
ddrueding
Fixture
...and for living 100 miles from work...
Mercutio
Fatwah on Western Digital
One of the things that I've seen since Shrub took office is a slavering devotion to the White House version of reality. Bush has gotten a pass on dozens of issues that, had they taken place under Clinton, would've led to congressional hearings and unhinged conspiracy theories.
The Washington Post made an alteration to a News Story. You know that stuff happens, particularly since one of the carrot/sticks held over every media outlet in the US is the fact that those outlets that don't play nice won't be granted any kind of access to senior administration officials. That's the GWB White House tactic, and I'm sure this is just business as usual. The only difference in this case is that someone noticed the change.
Of course, if you're a gay escort pretending to act as a journalist for an administration-friendly publication, even though you don't have proper credentials to even attend press briefings, the rules are a little different...
The Washington Post made an alteration to a News Story. You know that stuff happens, particularly since one of the carrot/sticks held over every media outlet in the US is the fact that those outlets that don't play nice won't be granted any kind of access to senior administration officials. That's the GWB White House tactic, and I'm sure this is just business as usual. The only difference in this case is that someone noticed the change.
Of course, if you're a gay escort pretending to act as a journalist for an administration-friendly publication, even though you don't have proper credentials to even attend press briefings, the rules are a little different...
sechs
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You'd think, with the other party taking control of Congress, the press would feel a little more free to actually do their jobs.
ddrueding
Fixture
It's great. When hearing interviews of the Dems talking about what they'll do now that they have control; you can almost hear them grin when they talk about "oversight" and "accountability". I'm really looking forward to some investigations in the next 2 years.