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[Tannin]

Maybe they just intend to waste less.

 

[jtr1962]

That's an awful lot of conservation, even by European standards. Ideally, just using less power is always the best way to go, if that's possible. The question is how much can you cut while still maintaining a lifestyle that people will accept. I know going LED for lighting is projected to cut something like 10-15% off annual electrical usage. Maybe you can gain another 5%-10% with more efficient appliances, and another 5% if lots of people bike to work instead of taking trains. But on the flip side transportation is going electric, so all those EVs need to plug into the grid to recharge. If they mostly do so at night, it's not an issue. Plenty of surplus power at night. During the day is another story. It might come down to if someone forgets to plug in their car at night, they'll be SOL the next day because they won't be allowed to charge it anywhere.

 

[BingBangBop]

Isn't Germany heavy into subsidizing solar panels for the consumer? Perhaps, in their future view, they see solar as being a valid and safer alternative while nuclear is just too risky to be worthwhile long-term. Solar isn't ideal for you still need to deal with generating electricity when the sun doesn't shine but if you invest enough in it it can take a big bite off their energy needs.

 

[Tannin]

That's an awful lot of conservation, even by European standards. Ideally, just using less power is always the best way to go, if that's possible. The question is how much can you cut while still maintaining a lifestyle that people will accept. I know going LED for lighting is projected to cut something like 10-15% off annual electrical usage. Maybe you can gain another 5%-10% with more efficient appliances, and another 5% if lots of people bike to work instead of taking trains. But on the flip side transportation is going electric, so all those EVs need to plug into the grid to recharge. If they mostly do so at night, it's not an issue. Plenty of surplus power at night. During the day is another story. It might come down to if someone forgets to plug in their car at night, they'll be SOL the next day because they won't be allowed to charge it anywhere.

Heating and cooling should be able to account for a massive change. Most houses have terrible insulation, and even worse passive design. (Germany is much better than Oz in that respect, but so is Mars.) That will take time - you can't replace/refit an entire nation's housing and office stocks overnight - but there are huge savings to be had.

Add some also from a more enlightened approach to temperature regulation. You don't have to be at 19 degrees all summer long and 29 degrees right through winter. (Some people are friggin' stupid - I have to take a jumper to put on when I go there in high summer, and I want to take my shirt off to cool down when I go there on a cold winter day. What's wrong with (say) 15 in winter and 25 in summer? Friggin' brain dead weaklings, most of 'em. They need to harden the F up a bit.)

As for not being allowed to charge, I should imagine that you will always be allowed to, but you will pay a heap more for it at the wrong time - three times higher, maybe.

But with even the conservatives in Germany going the clean, green route now (the Greens and centre-left have wanted this for years already), it strikes me that they must have plans afoot to go with other technologies. I cannot imagine the Germans ever going without their creature comforts! And they are too well organised to stuff this sort of thing up. I imagine that they will be leading the world in clean, low-wastage technology before long - and getting even richer as a result.

 

[time]

Nice summary update plus yet another water leak

8 per cent of Japan has been contaminated by caesium fallout

 

[Santilli]

Something is going on in Kali. A number of the high schools now have solar farms, either on their roofs, or even covers for parking lots. That's millions in current solar panel prices...