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It's an email address and a birthday. I always use January 1 1980 for anything I do now.

The main problem I have with this is that I set up PCs for A LOT of people and in most cases I don't think the MS Account adds anything but complexity to their experience; it's easy to make Windows save everything to Onedrive and hard to get it to stop, and many people don't care to deal with the password complexity requirements.

In this case the biggest issue is that if these changes go through, users won't be able to get to the desktop without the sign-in and that is deeply obnoxious.
 

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So that is needed everytime you reboot? One activated is there no way to bypass the log-in each time or have it automated?
 

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With Windows Home or a PC that has Pro installed but not associated with a Domain, it keeps pestering regularly if you aren't on a Microsoft account. That's what I'm anticipating going forward.
 

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Goddammitsofuckingmuch.

Also, if you don't know, you can only have a maximum of 10 PCs attached to your Microsoft account at a time, and a SEPARATE 10 PCs with access to the Windows Store.
MS might have clarified a bit - they changed the wording in the changelog to " If you choose to setup device for personal use, MSA will be required for setup as well." [Emphasis added] So maybe choosing business AKA local user/domain doesn't require a Microsoft Account.
 

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So what does this mean for people like me who have no domainers and don't really know what MS is doing? I can use 10 for 3 more years IIRC, then have to use the Apple eventually?
 
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Or you can use Ubuntu or another flavor of Linux.
 

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The photo-related tools LM uses almost never support Linux. Some can probably be used with emulation, but they're going to be niche applications that probably won't be well tested.

Apple also demands an Apple ID to obtain software updates from its App Store, and there are some other minor irritations about MacOS, like not having good control over font sizes in the GUI. Spotlight is great, but when I'm on a Mac, I'll almost always do file operations in a shell session rather than screw around with Finder.

It's entirely possible that someone will find a fix to this part of the install process, but if I'm setting up a dozen lab PCs, I really don't want them associated with any personal account at all, or to have to set up a domain controller for systems that are meant to represent typical home systems.
 

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Most of the issue is using current software that will not be supported on 10 after a while. Soon 10 won't support new hardware either, just as MS dicated use of 10 after Q1 2017 new hardware. I can use current hardware for legacy programs that don't need high performance.
 

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I've just had to deal with the updated Windows 11 installer for the first time.
There is no longer an option in the default setup to prevent Windows, even Windows Professional, from redirecting user data to OneDrive, and there's no way to skip signing in with a Microsoft account.

You CAN however give it an invalid Microsoft account. The installer will still give you the option to do a local account at that point.

I'll have to sit down and see if I can customize the Windows Image to pull some of that BS out.
 

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What data goes to the OneDrive, the stuff that used to be under the Documents, Downloads, Music, Pictures, etc? Can't you save files to another drive letter by changing settings later?
 

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What data goes to the OneDrive, the stuff that used to be under the Documents, Downloads, Music, Pictures, etc? Can't you save files to another drive letter by changing settings later?


If OneDrive is active and not prevented from doing so during the Windows install phase, the default save locations in Windows get set to c:\users\username\onedrive\documents etc. It's highly obnoxious to fix it while leaving Onedrive installed, and many users who DO use Onedrive will find that they are forced to upgrade storage or purchase Microsoft 365 (which comes with 1TB of OneDrive). It also changes the locations of the shortcuts in the Quick Access and File Explorer header list. 15GB isn't a whole lot for anyone who chooses to sync pictures or local music, so it turns into a headache for people who use it.

I actually advocate for using Libraries and using Onedrive as an optional save location but Microsoft has de-emphasized that feature since Windows 8 and that creates its own set of problems.

Google Drive usually maps itself to Drive Letter G: now and I'm not fond of that either but at least it's not a problem most client computers. It's less of a PITA than Install-Time OneDrive is.
 

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That's worrying. I use an MS account personally, but not on my work machine or machines I build to sell.

My big problem with Windows Home is the insistence on putting everything in OneDrive. 15GB isn't a ton of space and it makes people think they have to start paying to store data on their own computer. Also, a lot of people don't particularly want MS password requirements on a home machine. Also also, MS doesn't make it clear that a Windows Hello PIN or biometric sign-in isn't the same thing as the actual password on their account, and every once in a while, a device will forget that information or decide it's not valid, which causes all sorts of headaches.

Anyway I just tested this and sure enough it does work.
 

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Windows 11 will also do whatever an autounattend.xml file tells it, which will also bypass install defaults. I've been rolling my own Windows installers for years anyway but this is the first time I've bothered to try it on Windows Home edition.
 

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Unattended setups haven't changed much since the release of Windows NT also 30 years ago. I think they already know about it.
They knew the scripts defeat Windows 11 intentions, and deliberately left that option?
 

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They might not want to break 30 year old functionality, or they might be operating under the (probably correct) assumption that users generally aren't going to use it anyway.
 

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Here's an interesting project: Windows 10 Ameliorated. The project can be built from hand or from a provided ISO, but the idea is to make a contemporary Windows installation with every single thing pulled out that would normally connect back to Microsoft. The down side to this is that users lose the ability to directly update their installation, but it's great for specific VM needs or extra-lean gaming systems.
 

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Interesting. I wonder if they will alleviate the Windows 11 in the future.
 

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It's not that different. You can't move the taskbar and the right click menus are stupid but everything can be fixed if you have administrator rights on your own PC.
 

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You think I am administator at work. :D 🤣
They don't let us do anything and the software is always changing without notice to some some slow, clod-based system that people can barely use.
 
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