Onomatopoeic
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Mercutio
Fatwah on Western Digital
It is good that IBM is so concerned about my capacity to store porn.
sechs
Storage? I am Storage!
I imagine this is backup, like the old 8-track tapes. You search an extract table and pull the appropriate tape(s) to get the actual data.
Mercutio
Fatwah on Western Digital
LunarMist said:
That's because I measure storage in handy Porn Storage Units, which I call Jennas, abbreviated j. 1j is equal to about 225kb, which is about the size of a good hi-rez nudie picture (e.g. a full size image from hegre-archives.com) . 2000j = 1 hour of quality dixv porno or the amount of content on the average adult paysite. That unit is called a Janine, abbreviated J. 10J = ~90 minutes of hardcore MPEG2, a unit I call the Hedgehog, h. Finally, 200h is an amount that describes a staggeringly vast collection of smut, so I call that a Hefner, H.
Obviously the smallest units of measure are the ones that get used most often, but at times the larger units come into play to prevent me from having to deal with an unweildy number of digits.
ddrueding
Fixture
Yes, 9TB would be an unwieldly amount of porn. I'm only sporting a Hedgehog myself... :eekers:
sechs
Storage? I am Storage!
Where do you men find time to peruse all of this porn?
Fushigi
Storage Is My Life
Moving away from the pr0n discussion for a moment...
LTO2 drives sustain 35MB/s. I've got a total of 4 of them; 2 on each AS/400. I haven't benched them on my new i5 yet, but I'm expecting it to exceed 220GB/hour backup speed. That exceeds the max sustained speed, I know, but what I mostly back up are database files so I get good compression.
The just-released LTO3 tape drives can supposedly sustain 80MB/s. Those tapes are 400GB native. I'd imagine the TB+ native drives would have comparable if not superior speed. Apply compression to the data stream and you could probably expect 130+MB/s if the data compresses nicely and your disk array can feed it fast enough.Handruin said:
LTO2 drives sustain 35MB/s. I've got a total of 4 of them; 2 on each AS/400. I haven't benched them on my new i5 yet, but I'm expecting it to exceed 220GB/hour backup speed. That exceeds the max sustained speed, I know, but what I mostly back up are database files so I get good compression.
ddrueding
Fixture
sechs said:
It's not that much if you stick to high-quality video; DVDs and...erm...home movies :mrgrn:
Bookmage
What is this storage?
bah... i don't have time for pr0n...
my TBs are for music videos, TV shows, cartoons, anime and my Digital Sound Library aka Ogg/mp3s :mrgrn:
CD ISOs and dvdrips are also online for quick access and no searching threw shelves of DVDs/CDs.
And you can never have too much storage space
:mrgrn: :wink:
my TBs are for music videos, TV shows, cartoons, anime and my Digital Sound Library aka Ogg/mp3s :mrgrn:
CD ISOs and dvdrips are also online for quick access and no searching threw shelves of DVDs/CDs.
And you can never have too much storage space
:mrgrn: :wink:
ddrueding
Fixture
According to Spacemonger:
50% of my storage is MP3
20% is Video (non-porn - TV Shows and movies)
15% is ISOs
10% is porn
5% is misc. downloads
50% of my storage is MP3
20% is Video (non-porn - TV Shows and movies)
15% is ISOs
10% is porn
5% is misc. downloads
Mercutio
Fatwah on Western Digital
sechs said:
I think of myself more as a librarian, actually.
sechs
Storage? I am Storage!
I suppose that you buy stuff, and put it into a "to be viewed" folder....
Fushigi
Storage Is My Life
Just finished the first benchmark on the i5. With compression, we achieved an average backup speed of 276GB/hour, or 76.7MB/s. That includes the overhead for setting synchronization checkpoints on all 5000ish objects to allow them to remain in use while being saved.Fushigi said:
You gotta have something to look forward to in your retirement.sechs said:
sechs
Storage? I am Storage!
Maybe I'm just being too average in looking forward to traveling....
Corvair
Learning Storage Performance
Fushigi said:
It's been in the plans for a while now, but there won't be any more "large" increases in read/write transfer speeds with succeeding generations of LTO. What you will get, instead, will be the expected doubling of storage capacity, a slight increase in operational reliability, new utility functions to track wear and predict failures in tape drive mechanisms and tape cartridges, etc.
Now that LTO-3 is finally out to the public, don't expect more than about a 50% increase in read/write transfer rate each new generation, not the 100% increase we've enjoyed so far with each new generation. Super-AIT will probably adopt these same philosophies once the 2.4 TB Super-AIT-2 tape format arrives.
A little backgrounder for the uninitiated: LTO Ultrium and DLT are half-inch-wide (about 13 mm) single-reel physical tape formats that use a linear recording format (meaning the read/write heads are fixed). AIT and Super AIT are dual-reel (a.k.a. -- "serpentine") physical formats, with AIT using an 8 mm tape medium and Super AIT using a half-inch (about 13 mm) tape medium. Both AIT formats use helical-scan recording. Linear recording is simple and fast, but can be a bit hard on tape as far as wear goes. Helical-scan recording can pack more data on a given amount of tape and is easier on tape than linear, but tends to be slower at read/write performance. Nonetheless, Super AIT is about as fast as LTO-3. LTO has licensed AIT's "Memory In Chip" (MIC) feature, where the tape catalogue contents are stored in a flash memory embedded in the tape cartridge, thus preventing the time-consuming "shoe shining" that occurs with every other tape format when seeking the location on the tape of the file to be transferred or to write a new file. LTO = Linear Tape Open, AIT = Advanced Intelligent Tape.
Editorial Opinion: DLT (including Super DLT) is as good as done. Can't touch current or even recent generations of LTO, AIT, or Super AIT. Avoid.
I read on slashdot recently about hd streams... from what I recall 10 minutes of an hd video stream would take up an entire gigabyte. If that is so, an hour of it would take up 6 gigabytes.
So lets suppose there is some famous tv show such as star trek that has 100 episodes that are around an hour each. That is 600 gigabytes right there... Round it to 1 TB for good measure and you have 1 TB for all the episodes of your favorite tv show... now I suppose nobody has 100 favorite tv shows... but you get the idea. Storage is quickly using up what space we have.
I personally have over 200gb of anime (all of which I have seen). I'd say the encoding rate of the fansubs I have is about 200 mb for each half an hour. (that is 65 mb/10 minutes) If I had them all in HD it would take up 15 times as much space... which would be 3 tb. Alright; I concur... for now... 100 tb is big. lol
So lets suppose there is some famous tv show such as star trek that has 100 episodes that are around an hour each. That is 600 gigabytes right there... Round it to 1 TB for good measure and you have 1 TB for all the episodes of your favorite tv show... now I suppose nobody has 100 favorite tv shows... but you get the idea. Storage is quickly using up what space we have.
I personally have over 200gb of anime (all of which I have seen). I'd say the encoding rate of the fansubs I have is about 200 mb for each half an hour. (that is 65 mb/10 minutes) If I had them all in HD it would take up 15 times as much space... which would be 3 tb. Alright; I concur... for now... 100 tb is big. lol
Pradeep
Storage? I am Storage!
One hour of HD generally consumes about 8.5 GB on average.
Of course if the content providers/broadcasters get their way and the Broadcast Flag isn't struck down, it's unlikely that you will be able to record much HD content to your PC with hardware made after 1st July. Get the non-compliant hardware while you can.
Of course if the content providers/broadcasters get their way and the Broadcast Flag isn't struck down, it's unlikely that you will be able to record much HD content to your PC with hardware made after 1st July. Get the non-compliant hardware while you can.
Mercutio
Fatwah on Western Digital
People who want to store anime in any quantity shouldn't be allowed to breed.
But, OK, I'm hovering at something just over 6TB in local storage at the moment. I rip 20 - 30 movies a week. For my efforts I can exhaust 500GB in a month without any difficulty at all. To me a single terabyte doesn't seem like a whole lot of space.
But, OK, I'm hovering at something just over 6TB in local storage at the moment. I rip 20 - 30 movies a week. For my efforts I can exhaust 500GB in a month without any difficulty at all. To me a single terabyte doesn't seem like a whole lot of space.
Fushigi
Storage Is My Life
I don't think you've any right to comment on that, Merc. People collect what they collect. Some even collect pr0n.Mercutio said:
Mercutio
Fatwah on Western Digital
The huge problem I have with Anime is that it is pushing many other forms of entertainment out of the market. That, and I've grown to dislike the attitude of a great many anime/manga fans toward other classically geeky preoccupations (science fiction/comics/D&D etc). If it were under its own rock, no problem, but when my local book, video and game stores clear shelf space that was was previously devoted to more palatable entertainment in order to put up more Tokyopop books or Dragonball videos, I see a real problem..
Fushigi
Storage Is My Life
I could say that anime/manga is generally superior to the other genres you mention, but that would be opinion and not fact.
While I'm mentioning opinions, it seems your problem is that anime/manga is gaining in popularity and is apparently more profitable for retailers. If your retailer is eliminating what you consider to be more palatable entertainment, talk to your retailer, change retailers, embrace anime, or produce your own content.
The shift in attitude of anime/manga fans is due to the expanding fan base. It's no longer a niche hobby enjoyed predominantly by a subset of the 17-30 year old male demographic. It has gone mainstream.:
- Disney has licensed and is releasing anime movies.
- For years some music videos have featured clips from anime shows. TV characters have been spotted wearing anime T-shirts. It has invaded pop culture.
- At least 4 TV networks consistently have an anime programming block (ABC Family runs kids stuff while Cartoon Network, the Action Channel, and G4TechTV run somewhat more mature titles).
- There's even an Anime Network PPV/On Demand channel.
- My local AMC multiplex runs 2 or 3 anime movies (not Pokemon stuff; more mature titles like Ghost in the Shell 2) a year.
- Manga is available at Suncoast and is the 2nd largest book section at my local WaldenBooks (behind, I think, romance novels).
- American anime distributors are now directly financing some of the new anime being produced in Japan.
- Movies like The Matrix would never have occurred without anime as an influence.
Frankly, as an anime fan for something more than a decade, I'm not entirely comfortable with the shift in popularity either. While I'm happy about the ever-expanding amount of material available, the exclusivity is gone. But I'm in it for the content and not the badge of honor, so as long as I can get content that better than DragonBall and the kids stuff like Pokemon, Beyblade, etc. I'm pleased.
I actually find myself buying more manga than anime. I used to buy a little bit of untranslated manga at Mitsuwa (formerly Yaohan Plaza), but now I pick up translated stuff. I order through Previews so my local comic distributor is actually profiting more than before. I still buy anime but I find it's easier to find time to read than watch. I think that's an off-shoot of being married.
Regarding other geeky hobbies, one close friend (best man at my wedding) probably does gaming (mostly d20) more than he reads manga or watches anime. Understand that in the past we had marathon anime weekends that would run from Friday to Sunday with practically no sleep and as many as 14 VCRs duping off fansubs. That same friend GMs the campaign I play in. I still read SF, but I haven't been eager to expand my author list and stay caught up mostly with just those few. Neither of us are much into American comics. I never was; he was but doesn't get many any more. We both see SF films if they sound decent (many don't, unfortunately).
Which sort of brings me back to my opening remark. Perhaps the anime/manga titles being released really are superior to some of the comics & SF novels being released. Saikano, for instance, is a masterpiece in both art & story. Looking at the pics in Previews alone turns me away from the majority of domestic comics.
Anyway, right now anime is still rising in popularity. I imagine at some point it will peak and then decline some before hitting a relative steady-state like most genres. The ability for SF, comics, and RPG gaming to remain viable will depend on the material they produce. There will need to be mass-market appeal of some titles in order to finance others, much like Marvel has achieved with Spiderman. The artwork needs to appeal or be appropriate to the story, and above all, stories need to told. Things need to happen, characters need to progress. Otherwise any appeal a series might have slips away over time. I think the Japanese generally understand this. They aren't afraid to end a series. While I would have loved for there to be more Kimagure Orange Road TV episodes as I thoroughly enjoyed the series, adding more would have really only provided filler and would not have enhanced the story. The producers understood that.
While I'm mentioning opinions, it seems your problem is that anime/manga is gaining in popularity and is apparently more profitable for retailers. If your retailer is eliminating what you consider to be more palatable entertainment, talk to your retailer, change retailers, embrace anime, or produce your own content.
The shift in attitude of anime/manga fans is due to the expanding fan base. It's no longer a niche hobby enjoyed predominantly by a subset of the 17-30 year old male demographic. It has gone mainstream.:
- Disney has licensed and is releasing anime movies.
- For years some music videos have featured clips from anime shows. TV characters have been spotted wearing anime T-shirts. It has invaded pop culture.
- At least 4 TV networks consistently have an anime programming block (ABC Family runs kids stuff while Cartoon Network, the Action Channel, and G4TechTV run somewhat more mature titles).
- There's even an Anime Network PPV/On Demand channel.
- My local AMC multiplex runs 2 or 3 anime movies (not Pokemon stuff; more mature titles like Ghost in the Shell 2) a year.
- Manga is available at Suncoast and is the 2nd largest book section at my local WaldenBooks (behind, I think, romance novels).
- American anime distributors are now directly financing some of the new anime being produced in Japan.
- Movies like The Matrix would never have occurred without anime as an influence.
Frankly, as an anime fan for something more than a decade, I'm not entirely comfortable with the shift in popularity either. While I'm happy about the ever-expanding amount of material available, the exclusivity is gone. But I'm in it for the content and not the badge of honor, so as long as I can get content that better than DragonBall and the kids stuff like Pokemon, Beyblade, etc. I'm pleased.
I actually find myself buying more manga than anime. I used to buy a little bit of untranslated manga at Mitsuwa (formerly Yaohan Plaza), but now I pick up translated stuff. I order through Previews so my local comic distributor is actually profiting more than before. I still buy anime but I find it's easier to find time to read than watch. I think that's an off-shoot of being married.
Regarding other geeky hobbies, one close friend (best man at my wedding) probably does gaming (mostly d20) more than he reads manga or watches anime. Understand that in the past we had marathon anime weekends that would run from Friday to Sunday with practically no sleep and as many as 14 VCRs duping off fansubs. That same friend GMs the campaign I play in. I still read SF, but I haven't been eager to expand my author list and stay caught up mostly with just those few. Neither of us are much into American comics. I never was; he was but doesn't get many any more. We both see SF films if they sound decent (many don't, unfortunately).
Which sort of brings me back to my opening remark. Perhaps the anime/manga titles being released really are superior to some of the comics & SF novels being released. Saikano, for instance, is a masterpiece in both art & story. Looking at the pics in Previews alone turns me away from the majority of domestic comics.
Anyway, right now anime is still rising in popularity. I imagine at some point it will peak and then decline some before hitting a relative steady-state like most genres. The ability for SF, comics, and RPG gaming to remain viable will depend on the material they produce. There will need to be mass-market appeal of some titles in order to finance others, much like Marvel has achieved with Spiderman. The artwork needs to appeal or be appropriate to the story, and above all, stories need to told. Things need to happen, characters need to progress. Otherwise any appeal a series might have slips away over time. I think the Japanese generally understand this. They aren't afraid to end a series. While I would have loved for there to be more Kimagure Orange Road TV episodes as I thoroughly enjoyed the series, adding more would have really only provided filler and would not have enhanced the story. The producers understood that.
Very well said Fushigi. I agree completely with your point about the artistic quality and how anime has a good story that knows when to end.
I too am somewhat annoyed at the explosion of anime, but I will be very happ about it once it drives the prices down. In the past you had to get fansubs... because importing was ridiculous and only useful most of the time if you knew japanese. Now it is in english. How is that a bad thing?
Mercutio: How much anime have you seen? It is amusing that you say Dragonball... that is like the utter lower end of the spectrum of anime maturity.
I too am somewhat annoyed at the explosion of anime, but I will be very happ about it once it drives the prices down. In the past you had to get fansubs... because importing was ridiculous and only useful most of the time if you knew japanese. Now it is in english. How is that a bad thing?
Mercutio: How much anime have you seen? It is amusing that you say Dragonball... that is like the utter lower end of the spectrum of anime maturity.
Mercutio
Fatwah on Western Digital
I have less than zero interest in anime, except insofar as I wish it would get back under whatever rock in came out from under. I've seen Spirited Away. I've seen Akira. Both were about as appealing the thought of my grandmother's sex life. I've seen bits and pieces of other things (e.g. Cowboy Bebop). I see no reason not to dismiss the genre completely.
The current popularity of anime - including the apparent notion that all forms of Japanese storytelling are superior to western, which is so common among anime fans - is really hurting mainstream (I'll just shorten that to good) geek subcultures. It needs to be stopped.
The current popularity of anime - including the apparent notion that all forms of Japanese storytelling are superior to western, which is so common among anime fans - is really hurting mainstream (I'll just shorten that to good) geek subcultures. It needs to be stopped.
Fushigi
Storage Is My Life
Try Graveyard of the Fireflies sometime.
Scratch that. If you don't want to see any anime, that's perfectly fine. Your mind is made up and I doubt that I'd be able to change it.
I feel compelled to ask, though, why is anime hurting your 'geek subcultures'? If the stories and art are not somehow better - better stories, more appealing art, more realistic, more emotionally involving, more something - then why are people buying it and not the traditional DC/Marvel/DHCP/independent comics? Why is DC offering manga? Why is Del Rey, a long-time publisher of SF, offering manga? It can't just be because it's 'different' or that it's from across the ocean. There has to be something to the appeal. Find that something and then see if the other 'geek subcultures', the ones that are hurting, are filling that void sufficiently. If you're truly honest and analytical, you will probably find there's a need that's not being met by the traditional works and anime/manga is fulfilling that need.
For me, I think what started it was the predominant attitude that animation was for children despite the Heavy Metal movie and various Ralph Bakshi works. In the early 80s I watched Robotech and was amazed when a cartoon character actually died. I'd never seen that before in anything done in the US. Even popular live actions shows resisted showing death. A-Team, anyone?
Fast forward to now. The Simpsons is the founding anchor of an entire family of TV networks yet Americans still by-and-large consider animation to be kids turf. Well, the Japanese don't. There is plenty of kids anime, of course, but then there's plenty of stuff geared towards teens and adults as well. Anime is even broadcast in prime time.
BTW, the rock anime crawled out from under was set in place by a certain W. Disney. His early work inspired Osamu Tezuka, who is considered the father of Japanese animation.
Scratch that. If you don't want to see any anime, that's perfectly fine. Your mind is made up and I doubt that I'd be able to change it.
I feel compelled to ask, though, why is anime hurting your 'geek subcultures'? If the stories and art are not somehow better - better stories, more appealing art, more realistic, more emotionally involving, more something - then why are people buying it and not the traditional DC/Marvel/DHCP/independent comics? Why is DC offering manga? Why is Del Rey, a long-time publisher of SF, offering manga? It can't just be because it's 'different' or that it's from across the ocean. There has to be something to the appeal. Find that something and then see if the other 'geek subcultures', the ones that are hurting, are filling that void sufficiently. If you're truly honest and analytical, you will probably find there's a need that's not being met by the traditional works and anime/manga is fulfilling that need.
For me, I think what started it was the predominant attitude that animation was for children despite the Heavy Metal movie and various Ralph Bakshi works. In the early 80s I watched Robotech and was amazed when a cartoon character actually died. I'd never seen that before in anything done in the US. Even popular live actions shows resisted showing death. A-Team, anyone?
Fast forward to now. The Simpsons is the founding anchor of an entire family of TV networks yet Americans still by-and-large consider animation to be kids turf. Well, the Japanese don't. There is plenty of kids anime, of course, but then there's plenty of stuff geared towards teens and adults as well. Anime is even broadcast in prime time.
BTW, the rock anime crawled out from under was set in place by a certain W. Disney. His early work inspired Osamu Tezuka, who is considered the father of Japanese animation.
Will Rickards
Storage Is My Life
Talk about taking a thread off topic....
I like dragon ball. Most of my exposure to anime is through Cartoon Network. So I've seen some others that they have on there.
The thing I hate about dragon ball is that it doesn't have enough in one episode. Nothing ever finishes in one episode so I have to wait for the next one. It is an interesting marketing ploy but I hate it. Are all other anime shows like that? Most I've seen are.
I like dragon ball. Most of my exposure to anime is through Cartoon Network. So I've seen some others that they have on there.
The thing I hate about dragon ball is that it doesn't have enough in one episode. Nothing ever finishes in one episode so I have to wait for the next one. It is an interesting marketing ploy but I hate it. Are all other anime shows like that? Most I've seen are.
Fushigi
Storage Is My Life
Depends on the show. Many are straight episodic and each storyline is wrapped up in 24 minutes. But there are plenty of serials as well. The thing about DB/DBZ/etc is that a single fight can last for 6+ episodes. I think that's because Toriyama doesn't really know what else to do with the characters. DB can be fun when marathoned but if I could only watch 1 ep a week or something I'd go nuts.
Of course, most of the episodic shows are also working on an overall story arc so even they are not truly standalone.
Escaflowne TV (The Vision of Escaflowne or Escaflowne of the Heavens) would be an excellent serial to watch. It has political intrigue, family betrayal, love, dragons, mecha, fortune telling, trans-dimensional travel, and cat girls all in one show and it's all done very well. 26 episodes and not a single 'filler' among them.
Of course, most of the episodic shows are also working on an overall story arc so even they are not truly standalone.
Escaflowne TV (The Vision of Escaflowne or Escaflowne of the Heavens) would be an excellent serial to watch. It has political intrigue, family betrayal, love, dragons, mecha, fortune telling, trans-dimensional travel, and cat girls all in one show and it's all done very well. 26 episodes and not a single 'filler' among them.
I do not think it is right to dismiss any genre; whether it be American art, Polish art, German art, or Japanese art. The person who says any certain type of art should be done away with is a fool. Arguing for the dismissal or the ultimate enthroning of anything specific is pointless and will only lead to endless disagreement.
Mercutio
Fatwah on Western Digital
Fushigi,
My two "large" local bookstores are Barnes and Noble and Borders.
At my local Barnes and Noble, manga titles went from occupying 1 3' set of shelves to a whole 24' row. Graphic novels were completely removed (orders only), and the rest of the space came out of that reserved for Science Fiction and Horror novels. Del Rey IS being hurt if there are fewer Del Rey Science Fiction titles on the shelves to make room for more Tokyopoop (that was a typo but I'm leaving it in).
The story at Borders is much the same - Gaming (Role-playing and more traditional puzzle-type stuff, which AFAIK was something unique to Borders) took a HUGE hit, as did Science Fiction, to make room for Manga.
My local comic shop has over the last 3 years dropped the amount of space devoted to new comics by about 50% in favor of the Japanese stuff. Something around 25% of the space at Chicago's Comic Convention is devoted to Japanese stuff... and 1. There is almost ZERO crossover between the comic people and the Anime people and 2. The Anime people have a whole convention already.
I see similar trends at my local video store (thank you for netflix) and the programming choices made by certain popular television venues (and, OK, I have less of a problem with those AS SUCH, but it's evidence of a trend).
What I see is these other forms of entertainment being pushed out of the market. When I go into my comics shop and no one in the store knows anything about comics, because all they have ever read are those weird backwards-printed books, I see a problem. What I *haven't* seen is an Anime/Manga store. If this stuff is so attractive to whomever, it should be able to support itself, instead of stealing space and time from other legitimate special interests.
Setting aside my own feelings about the worth of the japanese media (which is low, but hey, I hate rap and country music, too), I'm alarmed at this development. It does not bode well for the future.
My two "large" local bookstores are Barnes and Noble and Borders.
At my local Barnes and Noble, manga titles went from occupying 1 3' set of shelves to a whole 24' row. Graphic novels were completely removed (orders only), and the rest of the space came out of that reserved for Science Fiction and Horror novels. Del Rey IS being hurt if there are fewer Del Rey Science Fiction titles on the shelves to make room for more Tokyopoop (that was a typo but I'm leaving it in).
The story at Borders is much the same - Gaming (Role-playing and more traditional puzzle-type stuff, which AFAIK was something unique to Borders) took a HUGE hit, as did Science Fiction, to make room for Manga.
My local comic shop has over the last 3 years dropped the amount of space devoted to new comics by about 50% in favor of the Japanese stuff. Something around 25% of the space at Chicago's Comic Convention is devoted to Japanese stuff... and 1. There is almost ZERO crossover between the comic people and the Anime people and 2. The Anime people have a whole convention already.
I see similar trends at my local video store (thank you for netflix) and the programming choices made by certain popular television venues (and, OK, I have less of a problem with those AS SUCH, but it's evidence of a trend).
What I see is these other forms of entertainment being pushed out of the market. When I go into my comics shop and no one in the store knows anything about comics, because all they have ever read are those weird backwards-printed books, I see a problem. What I *haven't* seen is an Anime/Manga store. If this stuff is so attractive to whomever, it should be able to support itself, instead of stealing space and time from other legitimate special interests.
Setting aside my own feelings about the worth of the japanese media (which is low, but hey, I hate rap and country music, too), I'm alarmed at this development. It does not bode well for the future.
Mercutio
Fatwah on Western Digital
Also, gotta say it, the last straw on the whole anime/manga issue for me - going from merely indifferent to actual distaste - was being trapped on a train coming out of Chicago with three absolutely RABID fans who, over a 90 minute period, went from talking about what I presume to be standard fare (samurai battles, who could beat up who in some thing or other etc) to hentai (which, OK, fine, is anime porn) to "which anime do you wish could be hentai"... to "hey, Mr. Guy who is sitting quietly and reading comics, what are you reading and here's 10 reasons why you should read this other thing instead because it's sooooo much better than what you're reading now."
And, if the people doing this were children, even young adults, that would be one thing. These were obviously commuters from city jobs. Adults.
And, if the people doing this were children, even young adults, that would be one thing. These were obviously commuters from city jobs. Adults.
Mercutio: Settle down. You are acting like you have a dire need to wage war on anime fans.
I don't understand why you can come into this thread saying: 'woo porn!' and and now be vehemently bashing. Your views were quite clear before your last two posts.
Call anime poop and insulting anime fans is hardly what I would call decent behavior in a professional forum. I vote for this thread to be locked since it is clearly going nowhere at this point. (If an anime vs comic thread is wanted, I would suggest one be started - rather than killing this thread)
I don't understand why you can come into this thread saying: 'woo porn!' and and now be vehemently bashing. Your views were quite clear before your last two posts.
Call anime poop and insulting anime fans is hardly what I would call decent behavior in a professional forum. I vote for this thread to be locked since it is clearly going nowhere at this point. (If an anime vs comic thread is wanted, I would suggest one be started - rather than killing this thread)