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This is some kind of gift that keeps on giving for the negligence of their actions to... Not wearing masks, and not be socially distanced. This is the 9th month of a pandemic and they've ignored every safety protocol. This is the collective intelligence of our GOP...wtf.

Look at this list...(found online)

* Donald Trump
* Melania Trump
* Adviser Hope Hicks
* GOP Chair Ronna McDaniel
* Senator Mike Lee (R-UT)
* Senator Thom Tillis (R-NC)
* Notre Dame President Jenkins
* 1 White House staffer
* 3 journalists who work at WH
* 11 infected so far from the Presidential debate in Cleveland
* Kellyanne Conway

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We won't ever know how sick Donald Trump has been; they'll release a few press releases, and videos of him "hard at work", then he'll go back to The White House in triumph and say "see, it was just a bad cold."

But they transferred him to Walter Reed hospital "out of an abundance of caution."

Well, The White House certainly has "an abundance of caution", since they haven't been using any. 😉
 

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I agree and that is a dangerous piece of information to convey to the public.

Another confirmed positive...Bill Stepien, campaign manager for Donald. The image gets updated...

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We won't ever know how sick Donald Trump has been; they'll release a few press releases, and videos of him "hard at work", then he'll go back to The White House in triumph and say "see, it was just a bad cold."
Maybe but if anyone who got it dies it's going to be pretty hard to paper over that.
 

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Former New Jersey governor Chris Christy checked into a hospital as a precautionary measure after announcing earlier today that he had tested positive for Covid-19. (Aside from being obese, he has asthma as another risk factor.)

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/03/politics/chris-christie-coronavirus said:
Christie was among a group of senior Trump campaign staffers who were tested Friday following news of the President's positive diagnosis. On Friday, the former Republican governor had said, "I feel fine and have no symptoms," and noted that he was last tested for Covid-19 on Tuesday and the results had been negative.
 

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Of course this is ending up being the Trump show, as usual:


 

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We won't ever know how sick Donald Trump has been; they'll release a few press releases, and videos of him "hard at work", then he'll go back to The White House in triumph and say "see, it was just a bad cold."
And just as I predicted, he was helicoptered back to the White House Monday evening (Oct 5). He had tweeted that afternoon “Don’t be afraid of Covid. Don’t let it dominate your life.” Ref: https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/10/doctors-still-evasive-on-trumps-health-as-he-leaves-hospital
 

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That fits the GOP narrative of making covid seem to be like it's a mild/minimal flu. To think the entire world conspired with the US Dems and shut down economies keeping people sheltered and masked just to impact trumps re-election.

Let's see what the next 10-15 days brings trump as he manages his covid recovery.
 

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If it kills around 1000 persons in the USA every day, I am sure it will dominate both the lives of the deceased and their relatives and friends?
 

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If it kills around 1000 persons in the USA every day, I am sure it will dominate both the lives of the deceased and their relatives and friends?
Not to mention the millions like myself who are still running their residences like a germ warfare lab.

This isn't going to be truly over until we have mass vaccinations and no new covid cases for at least a month. Optimistically, that isn't happening until mid 2021.
 

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The message from the Swedish authorities is that we will keep having restrictions for at least another year. And the infection rate is on the up.
 

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If this doesn't show what a heartless, unempathetic bastard Trump is, I don't know what does. I love the hubris also:

"I have instructed my representatives to stop negotiating until after the election when, immediately after I win, we will pass a major Stimulus Bill that focuses on hardworking Americans and Small Business."

I have a feeling that besides losing big time personally to Biden, the GOP will be the big losers here in Congress. The irony is Trump could have coasted to reelection if he had controlled the virus, which in turn would have minimized damage to the economy, and supported stimulus measures to minimize whatever damage did occur. Instead, he and the GOP blew it because:

1) They're fundamentally opposed to medicine and science, preferring instead to invent a ad-hoc approach based on their opinions, which of course was destined to fail big time.
2) They're ideologically opposed to giving money directly to ordinary citizens, even if doing so would provide better economic effects than giving it to businesses.
3) They feel any measures to protect against the virus give the appearance of weakness.
4) They saw the virus hitting blue states harder as an opportunity to show the laissez-faire approach used in the red states was valid. Of course, now the top 14 states in terms of cases per million people are red states, and 6 out the top 15 in terms of deaths per million people are red states, with the numbers climbing for red states far more rapidly. In actuality the lower population density in these states acts as a buffer to virus spread, so their handling is even worse than the numbers make it appear.

America is now a shining example to the rest of the world of what NOT to do to control this disease.
 

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China joins global vaccine alliance, filling “leadership vacuum” left by Trump

"China joins around 170 other countries, leaving the US and Russia on the sidelines."​

So Trump and his good buddy Vlad are in charge of the COVID-vaccine fake news (as well as U.S. election sabotage). But Russia already has a vaccine (or claims to). It's OK, though, because Trump has promised us a vaccine by just after the election. Maybe that will be just after his promised The Wall to keep out evil immigrants from Mexico is finished.
 

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Trump's COVID-19 Leadership Vacuum (and fake news) continues; 2 links from ArsTechnica:

On background, the White House says that herd immunity plan reflects its thinking.​

On Monday, the White House hosted a pandemic-focused call for the press "on background"—intended to provide a window into the administration's thinking, but not to provide quotes that could be attributed to any government official. During the call, the unspecified White House officials touted a document supporting the idea of herd immunity as a plan to control the pandemic, saying it reflected the administration's thinking.

The document, called the Great Barrington Declaration, was prepared by a libertarian think tank with the assistance of a handful of scientists who have been pushing the idea that COVID-19 isn't much of a threat. And it has attracted enough attention that the World Health Organization decided to address it. The result severely undercut whatever the White House intended to accomplish.

"Never in the history of public health has herd immunity been used as a strategy for responding to an outbreak, let alone a pandemic," the WHO's Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said. "It's scientifically and ethically problematic."

OAN reporter fired from FDA appointment is still at FDA, flouting rules
Miller promoted an unapproved drug given to Trump as “like a cure.”​

Back in August, the Food and Drug Administration ousted Emily Miller from her role as the agency’s top spokesperson. Miller, a right-wing activist and former One America News reporter, was installed in the FDA by the White House and given the role of assistant commissioner for media affairs, a role typically held by nonpartisan civil servants. She held the post for a mere 11 days and was fired amid intense controversy after several high-profile agency missteps.

But now it appears that Miller never left the FDA. She’s still at the regulatory agency and has since been given a new—perhaps more prestigious—title. And as before, she is causing problems for the agency.
 

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The accelerated mutation through a jump to a new species and back again is the sort of thing we are supposed to be afraid of with viral epidemics, and certainly that was the initial fear with SARS-CoV-2. Instead, we have been distracted by how surprisingly contagious it has turned out to be.
 

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I expected that the US would pass 100,000 new cases per day around the time of the election. Just had a look, and it passed that on Wednesday. Thursday was 113,500.
 

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A classic example of #LeopardsAteMyFace

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What's going on is a federal government which is completely AWOL on the pandemic, combined with many state and local governments which are practically the same, or just refuse to enact measures to mitigate things because of some misguided notions about freedom and choice. Yes, it's a shit show here. It's going to get a lot worse before it gets better.

Trump hasn't attended a coronavirus task force meeting in over five months.

Thankfully, the incoming Biden administration is already having daily meetings, and will take the pandemic as its primary responsibility. Problem is we have two long months with Trump at the helm.
 

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But he has had plenty of time this month to spew his lies, lawsuits, obstructionism, and venom about his losing the election.

He's the one that's trying to rig/cheat/steal the election, without any evidence of anything other than a fair election. Indeed, the U. S. government
Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA) reviewed the election and concluded last week that it was "was the most secure in American history." Trump's response was to fire the head of the agency, Chris Krebs, this week. On Twitter.

But he doesn't have time to do anything about the grave COVID crisis.
 
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US hits 1million new cases in less than a week. https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/21/health/us-coronavirus-saturday/index.html

WTF is going there?

Also todays paper reported that Donald Trump jr has tested positive as well?
If you look at the heat map of infections, it is mostly the middle of the country.
So this pattern of hitting the coast and moving inward then bouncing back to the coasts is happening.
People are just not being diligent about wearing masks / washing hands. Full Stop.
And since we're dependent on each other for public health, it continues to spread.
We can only contain it if everyone cooperates.

Combine this with lockdown/virus fatigue and you have a real problem.
We didn't get a large break for months like most other countries.
So mentally we're just not in a great space.

Add in the inept/criminal government response and it is just a disaster.
 

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People traveling for the holidays are another big problem. If we had a sane government response we would have shut down the airlines a week ago until early next year, and restricted travel on Interstate highways to only essential workers. The government may not have to explicitly ban gatherings if it instead simply prevents people from being able to travel.
 

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People traveling for the holidays are another big problem. If we had a sane government response we would have shut down the airlines a week ago until early next year, and restricted travel on Interstate highways to only essential workers. The government may not have to explicitly ban gatherings if it instead simply prevents people from being able to travel.
They'd never be able to enforce it, especially in the red states. Even removing the fiasco that was our governmental response, people in general don't trust the government enough to unilaterally obey everything it says. They'd screech about their freedoms (to kill grandma) until they went blue in the face and it'd be the end of it... Might have a few high-speed chases on the interstates to entertain us through the holidays.
 

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People traveling for the holidays are another big problem. If we had a sane government response we would have shut down the airlines a week ago until early next year, and restricted travel on Interstate highways to only essential workers. The government may not have to explicitly ban gatherings if it instead simply prevents people from being able to travel.
The next best thing would have been to ramp up testing capabilities and reduce turnaround times. We've had 9 months to get that going, wtf. Loads of people in my town are trying to rush a last-minute covid testing for the holiday and the mess it's causing is crazy. They can test maybe 600 people a day at some of the test sites with two to three locations. My town has 70,000 people in it and the testing is open to anyone. I can't imagine what it's like in cities with millions of people.

The federal government could have invoked the defense production act, worked with the states to ramp up national guard for testing deployment and work to get testing out in the masses over those past 9 months. Figure out a plan to target the highest hit locations and move the testing to support the locations with the virus outbreak hotspots.
 

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Unfortunately, since we have none of those things the only option is to shut down-again-to slow the spread of the virus.

Trump and his followers have the ideology that government is bad, or at best useless. By putting incompetents into positions of power, that has become a self-fulfilling prophecy. It looks like Biden is going to reverse course on that by putting qualified people back in charge. It can't come soon enough.
 
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