Jobs is dead

[time]

Lord Vader has left the building.

 

[Mercutio]

... and nothing of value was lost.

The Gates Foundation will be Bill Gates' legacy.

Steve Jobs spent 20 years trying to get San Francisco to let him tear down his landmark mansion so he could build a bigger one.

 

[LunarMist]

I'm not surprised. He looked sickly for years. All that money can't defeat the grim reapers.

 

[Santilli]

Can't believe that guy is worth 8.3 Billion.

 

[MaxBurn]

Woh, completely missed this.

 

[Handruin]

Sad news to hear of his death. RIP Steve Jobs.

http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/05/steve-jobs-co-fouder-of-apple-is-dead-at-56/

Bill Gates:

I'm truly saddened to learn of Steve Jobs' death. Melinda and I extend our sincere condolences to his family and friends, and to everyone Steve has touched through his work.

Steve and I first met nearly 30 years ago, and have been colleagues, competitors and friends over the course of more than half our lives.

The world rarely sees someone who has had the profound impact Steve has had, the effects of which will be felt for many generations to come.

For those of us lucky enough to get to work with him, it's been an insanely great honor. I will miss Steve immensely.

 

[CougTek]

Woh, completely missed this.

Me too. I even posted a thread in the News section before realizing that it had already been mentioned twice before. That's what I get for sleeping in the early evening...

 

[LunarMist]

It's intersting that many people saw it on the tech sites, not the new sites. I think practically every site had something about the deceased Jobs in only some minutes.

 

[CougTek]

Apple should honor him by renaming their kill process command to "kill jobs".

 

[Chewy509]

RIP, Jobs.

As much as I dislike Apple, most of their products and their actions against other companies, I must certainly admire the person that was capable of building the company from a shell to what it is.

All that money can't defeat the grim reapers.

I think this is something that all must appreciate. It's better to live a happy and fulfilling life, than it is to become obsessed with money.

 

[Handruin]

Apple should honor him by renaming their kill process command to "kill jobs".

Fairly tasteless.

 

[LunarMist]

Apple should honor him by renaming their kill process command to "kill jobs".

Isn't the name pronounced like jOHbs?

 

[CougTek]

You're not asking the right guy about english names pronounciation. I cannot discern between "tree" and "three", "dog", "Doug" and "dug", etc. Remember that I very rarely speak in your language.

 

[LunarMist]

Dug and Doug sound the same. Dog is like dawg.

 

[timwhit]

You're not asking the right guy about english names pronounciation. I cannot discern between "tree" and "three", "dog", "Doug" and "dug", etc. Remember that I very rarely speak in your language.

Do any of your customers speak only English?

 

[CougTek]

Nope. When a customer introduces himself in english and it's obvious he's not a tourist, I tend to not make him feel comfortable and I make a point to be unpleasant. There's all the rest of North America to go for those who want to live their lives in english. Here it's french, period. You live here, you speak french. Otherwise, go fuck yourself (not you, the invaders who come here trying to make us adapt to themselves) and pray you never cross me somewhere I feel there's no witness. If you think that's extreme, ask yourself how you would react if I moved next to your home, always address you in french, then go to your work, as a customer, and ask you to carve on the language used even though you're the one who's part of the great majority. Dare to tell me you wouldn't show me the finger.

So no, none of my customers speak only english.

 

[ddrueding]

Isn't the name pronounced like jOHbs?

I called him jobs (as in plural of employment) to his face and he didn't correct me. The others did the same, so I'm pretty sure that is correct.

 

[LunarMist]

Thanks. I've never spoken the name aloud until this week.

 

[Chewy509]

So no, none of my customers speak only english.

Consider 94%+ speak French, I don't see a major problem with it, but I personally wouldn't be as hard-line as you indicate.

Just out of pure interest, do you consider yourself Canadian or French? (or French-Canadian). It's just something I've found fascinating that having meet others from Montréal, some said they were from Montréal (with a distinct lack of connection to Canada implied), while others said Canadian, and others said French (but the last group also indicated that their family immigrated directly from France).

My mother-in-law grew up around Toronto and St. Catherine's before immigrating to Australia (via the USA and then Denmark) with her husband, and it's something she's also mentioned in passing as well - the way some from Montréal try to disconnect themselves from the greater Canada.

Language source: http://www40.statcan.gc.ca/l01/cst01/demo15-eng.htm

 

[Handruin]

Nope. When a customer introduces himself in english and it's obvious he's not a tourist, I tend to not make him feel comfortable and I make a point to be unpleasant. There's all the rest of North America to go for those who want to live their lives in english. Here it's french, period. You live here, you speak french. Otherwise, go fuck yourself (not you, the invaders who come here trying to make us adapt to themselves) and pray you never cross me somewhere I feel there's no witness. If you think that's extreme, ask yourself how you would react if I moved next to your home, always address you in french, then go to your work, as a customer, and ask you to carve on the language used even though you're the one who's part of the great majority. Dare to tell me you wouldn't show me the finger.

So no, none of my customers speak only english.

That was one of my pet peeves when I was visiting your land a couple years ago. Some of my friends wouldn't even try to greet people in French, but would rather just continue to speak English. My French is horrible, but I at least tried to say the basics in French, including when asking if they spoke English. I understand it was different because I was a tourist and in your case it was a native individual. I see the same thing happen in parts of the US with Spanish. I dislike seeing all the store signs in Spanish. I even had this discussion with a friend of mine who is native to a Spanish-speaking country and he even says when going to a place with signs in both Spanish and English, he reads the English sign because the Spanish sign is confusing.

Consider 94%+ speak French, I don't see a major problem with it, but I personally wouldn't be as hard-line as you indicate.

Just out of pure interest, do you consider yourself Canadian or French? (or French-Canadian). It's just something I've found fascinating that having meet others from Montréal, some said they were from Montréal (with a distinct lack of connection to Canada implied), while others said Canadian, and others said French (but the last group also indicated that their family immigrated directly from France).

My mother-in-law grew up around Toronto and St. Catherine's before immigrating to Australia (via the USA and then Denmark) with her husband, and it's something she's also mentioned in passing as well - the way some from Montréal try to disconnect themselves from the greater Canada.

Language source: http://www40.statcan.gc.ca/l01/cst01/demo15-eng.htm

The hard-line attitude certainly doesn't help his business, but if it means that much to him, then he knows where he stands.

I would guess any use of the word Canadian will not apply to CougTek. If anything, Québec would be more appropriate for him. I'm surprised he doesn't follow Mercutio's method when writing the word S*ny when he writes C4nad1an.

 

[Sol]

Just out of pure interest, do you consider yourself Canadian or French? (or French-Canadian).

I'm guessing the answer to that is an emphatic no. I seem to recall Coug referring to himself as Québécois. The hard line French only stance does seem a little extreme though. Especially since English is still an official language in Canada (And you get a better reception that that speaking English in France).

 

[CougTek]

I seem to recall Coug referring to himself as Québécois.

Indeed.

(And you get a better reception that that speaking English in France).

I have no problem with speaking english with tourists. Those who decide to stick though have to learn french. It's very nice from Doug to try to speak french when he visits here, but it's very understandable that tourists don't learn the native language of the foreign country they visit.

When Sol visits France, he's a tourist there. The Français don't expect him to speak french. But there's something else not to overlook about the situation in Europe and the situation here. There's ~60 million people in France and about as many in England. However, there's only about 6 million french-speaking Québécois here and we're being surrounded by ~300 million english-speaking folks. We feel threaten and judging by the progression of english in last two decades, rightfully so. I don't want Québec to end up like Louisiane. No matter what they say in New Orleans, the language they speak there isn't french.

Calling me a Canadian is about as insulting as calling Tannin and LiamC Mexicans.

 

[LunarMist]

The irony is that Coug has joined the "Hairy Aussie" group.

 

[DrunkenBastard]

... and nothing of value was lost.

+++

I have zero tolerance for bully bosses.

 

[LunarMist]

You must be the boss or change jobs a lot then.

 

[Handruin]

Perhaps not here, but:

What Everyone Is Too Polite to Say About Steve Jobs.

 

[Mercutio]

I'm awfully sick of hearing people say "He was the Edison of the computer industry!"
Granted that they both stole ideas from other people, but at least Edison had a lot of genuinely good ideas of his own.

 

[Santilli]

Handurin:

I'm reading the article you posted. It explains a LOT of what I've been seeing lately.

I'm doing High School Volleyball for girls right now, all over NorCal. EVERYWHERE I go, I see ipads, iphones, etc.

By limiting porn on the idevices, Jobs created the PERFECT tool for educators, or at least so they think. I've been doing a lot of private schools, where tuition starts at 35 grand a year, and goes up. The ipad is now a standard teaching tool, and every kid has one. Originally the idea was the imac, but, even when Apple donated the computers, schools either couldn't afford to run them, due to PG&E(Pacific Gas and Electric, or energy monopoly in Kali), or, their buildings weren't designed to take that kind of massive power through them. Third, just not enough plugs, or electrical wiring setup for such multiple computers.

Mt. Diablo literally had a warehouse of imacs donated for Mt. Diablo High School, but, the school district couldn't use them, for the above reasons. By the time the wiring was brought up to spec, the computers were obselete.

Practically, one of the problems as an educator is kids getting into stuff they shouldn't at school. Be it porn, demonic, etc.

I had a kid get in and photoshop a screen saver with demonic symbols, and nude girls.
For me, it was a no win situation. If I report the offense to the administration, it makes it look like I don't have control of my classroom. If I don't, then he's going to do it to other teachers, and teach other kids, as well. I have to discipline him, and that requires him
accepting the discipline, which didn't happen.

I can see the appeal of a device that prohibits such access, without having to worry about it. Sounds like Jobs had information, and used it for designing a tool for a market
they have to have to win, schools and children.

Around here, students are a lot easier to influence then adults, and, the students then tell their parents what they have to have for school, for example an iphone or ipad.

Jobs gets to a target group he would not otherwise be able to influence, using their kids as sales tools.

As for no charity, whatever. He used his company to give items at cost, or donate them, as he did at Mt. Diablo. I imagine after giving away 3-5 thousand computers, and having them end up never being used, one might get a bit skeptical.

There is an old saying that you get what you pay for. The flip side is you value what you pay for.

 

[Handruin]

Moving many opinions to the side, if you take a few minutes to watch his Stanford commencement speech, you might get a different impression of him.

 

[Santilli]

The introduction was worth watching.

I liked his 'dropping in' idea.

Reed College. Caligraphy.

"That windows just copied the mac..."

Connect the dots looking backwards...

Trust in something. Heart leads off well worn path.

How can you get fired from a company you started?

Next, Pixar...

Apple bought Next, Next is the heart of APPL OS.

Find what you love.

If you live each day as your last, someday you'll be right.

If today was the last day of my life, would I do it anyway.

Remember that you will be dead soon.

Remember you are to die, you are naked.

Your time is limited don't waste it, living someone elses' life.

Well done, Steve Jobs.