Ryzen

[Will Rickards]

Speaking of Ryzen, my son is trying to build a gaming PC all in (monitor too) for about $600. The purpose is probably gaming.
Here's the build list he put together. Thoughts?

 

[Stereodude]

The CPU is cheaper at Microcenter. The build is a little low end. What's the 1TB HD for? Why not skip it and get a larger SSD?

I'm not entirely sure how much better can be done for the price though. The goal is pretty tough. I'd be tempted to wait and try to save a few hundred more dollars.

 

[sechs]

Maybe. It does look like there are a few sub $200 X570 options though.

My impression is, unless you need specific features, you'd get more out of a x470 board of similar cost.

 

[sechs]

Speaking of Ryzen, my son is trying to build a gaming PC all in (monitor too) for about $600. The purpose is probably gaming.
Here's the build list he put together. Thoughts?

Ditch the cooler. Stock is fine and you can put that money elsewhere. Like faster memory. Ryzen likes that.

If you're willing to go used, video cards and spinning disks are pretty cheap.

 

[sechs]

I'd be tempted to wait and try to save a few hundred more dollars.

Between the power outage in Japan and the looming Japan-Korea trade war, DRAM and NAND prices are going to go up. And the US-China trade war doesn't make anything cheaper.

It may be a wash waiting for some prices to go down while others go up.

 

[Stereodude]

Between the power outage in Japan and the looming Japan-Korea trade war, DRAM and NAND prices are going to go up. And the US-China trade war doesn't make anything cheaper.

It may be a wash waiting for some prices to go down while others go up.

That's not what I meant. I meant saving money as in the accrual of more money to afford a more expensive build, not that those components were going to get cheaper.

 

[Will Rickards]

So I looked at microcenter and they have a bundle that includes:
Ryzen 5 2600X, Asrock B450 PRO4, Samsung 970 EVO+ 500GB M.2 for 292.97.
Adding a case $50 and power supply $50 and 16GB Ram $60 leads to about 452.97 before video card.
I told him to watch for sales on video cards and he can deal with the built-in graphics till there is a good sale.

 

[Will Rickards]

Just realized the 2600X has no integrated graphics.

 

[Chewy509]

Quick note regarding Zen2 performance: (just the first section is of relevance).

http://lists.dragonflybsd.org/pipermail/users/2019-July/358226.html

 

[Stereodude]

Quick note regarding Zen2 performance: (just the first section is of relevance).

http://lists.dragonflybsd.org/pipermail/users/2019-July/358226.html

Of course they don't bother to give any details on their 48 core Opteron "monster"...

 

[Chewy509]

IIRC, Monster was a 4x Opteron 6348 based system...

 

[LunarMist]

The fonts are all gone in my browser, but

 

[Newtun]

so is the rest of your sentence.

 

[Stereodude]

so is the rest of your sentence.

It's there, it's just that the font he used was stolen mid post.

 

[LunarMist]

Only on the SF...

 

[Stereodude]

So it's September now. When this month is the 3950X supposed to drop? Of course the 3900X is still quite hard to come by so the 3950X might be even harder to get.

 

[Stereodude]

So it looks like September 30th is the release date for the Ryzen 3950X.

 

[LunarMist]

I'm not sure what to say about this one and it just seems like a lot to you about it all.

 

[Stereodude]

I'm not sure what to say about this one and it just seems like a lot to you about it all.

Does that bother you that I'm excited about a product and make posts about it?

 

[LunarMist]

I have no idea what it means, but somehow the Androids were involved.

I still have a deadline for the Windows 7, so I am interested in all the Intel and AMD CPUs. I don't have much hope that the Ryzen hexadeca-core will help me compared to the dodeca-core CPU unless there are some other improved attributes of the CPU RAM, chipset, motherboard, etc.

 

[Stereodude]

So, install Windows 10 on your dodeca-core CPU based system and wait for further advances from AMD or Intel.

 

[LunarMist]

I'm writing about the 3950X vs. the 3900X. I still use the 5930K from almost 5 years ago.
At the very least I need a faster CPU to compensate for the Windows 10 Meltdown and Spectres.

 

[sechs]

AMD and Intel are more or less at the same IPC. The only difference is that Intel costs more and clocks higher. And, if number of cores matter, AMD has more for less $$.

Newer processors from both companies come with built-in mitigations for the those flaws. But they keep finding new ones in Intel chips.

I'd guess that you could build a system acceptable to you around a Ryzen 3600.

 

[LunarMist]

I see no reason to choose the 3600 over the 3900X. The clock speeds of the 3600 are slower.
The question is between the 3900X and 3950X since the former has a better base frequency.

 

[Chewy509]

Phoronix has some benchmarks on i7-3960X vs Ryzen...

https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=sandy-extreme-2019&num=1

 

[sechs]

I see no reason to choose the 3600 over the 3900X. The clock speeds of the 3600 are slower.
The question is between the 3900X and 3950X since the former has a better base frequency.

Get a 3600X. Same base frequency.

 

[LunarMist]

I want the maximum clock, not the base.

 

[sechs]

May as well wait for the new Threadrippers. Why not spend more money for a marginal gain, right?

 

[Stereodude]

That's his standard MO. You expected it to change?

 

[LunarMist]

Do you know when the next Intel and AMD HEDT CPUs will be out, but probably not until well into 2020?
Of course I'd like a non-crippled chipset with a number of PCIe lanes.

 

[LunarMist]

That's his standard MO. You expected it to change?

What do you mean by MO? I am using the computer for completely legitimate purposes.

 

[Stereodude]

What do you mean by MO?

Modus Operandi

I am using the computer for completely legitimate purposes.

Who said you weren't?

 

[Chewy509]

I am using the computer for completely legitimate purposes.

Who said you weren't?

The person who said they are "using the computer for completely legitimate purposes".

 

[Stereodude]

The person who said they are "using the computer for completely legitimate purposes".

Well yeah, that's a given. If you have to make a post like that it means there was some doubt...

 

[LunarMist]

Somehow I thought that a murderer or criminal mainly had an MO, but I was not very good in Latin class.

 

[time]

I was not very good in Latin class.

Mind Boggling.

 

[Chewy509]

Mind Boggling.

mens stamine ? dies, agite in finem... tandem pluvia...

 

[Stereodude]

...but I was not very good in Latin class.

Well, I didn't even have Latin class. So, you've got a leg up on me.

 

[LunarMist]

mens stamine ? dies, agite in finem... tandem pluvia...

I think my doctor told me I had that condition back in 2003.

 

[Chewy509]

Next Treadripper has been dealyed a few moths...

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019/09/amds-ryzen-9-3950x-threadripper-on-hold-until-november/