jtr1962
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Getting the extra power isn't a problem. Dissipating it effectively is. 280 watts is a lot of power to get rid of. You need a massive heat sink and great airflow, or liquid cooling.
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Getting the extra power isn't a problem. Dissipating it effectively is. 280 watts is a lot of power to get rid of. You need a massive heat sink and great airflow, or liquid cooling.
sechs
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Well, first and second gen Threadrippers and x399 boards should get real cheap soon....There is quite a gap between the 105W 3950X and 280W 3960X. 280W is too much power just to get a decent number of PCIe lanes.
sechs
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TDP is, unfortunately, a load of baloney. Intel's seem more honest but considerably more useless; their TDPs are basically what the cooling solution needs to dissipate for the chip to only hit the base clock. AMD's TDPs are supposedly what the cooling solution needs to dissipate for the processor to work "as designed," but the derivation is totally opaque.
https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/...lained-deep-dive-cooler-manufacturer-opinions
Cost is not much consideration since I keep computers for many years. I just want more PCIe lanes without all those slow cores.
The Ryzen 9 3950X will be compatible in the majority of AM4 motherboards, although in order to take advantage of the 24 PCIe 4.0 lanes on the CPU, an X570 motherboard is recommended. The 16 cores offer a 3.5 GHz base frequency and a 4.7 GHz single core boost frequency; the overall all-core turbo frequency will be dependent on the motherboard used, the quality of the silicon, and the turbo in play.
WTF does this mean? If a program mostly uses 4 cores will they run at 4.7Hz or 4.0?
Stereodude
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And again, they're more power efficient than Intel. They still use less power than the comparable Intel part and they get more done.
But keep worrying about the "scary" TDP numbers while Intel sells you an inferior performing part that actually uses even more power.
But keep worrying about the "scary" TDP numbers while Intel sells you an inferior performing part that actually uses even more power.
Stereodude
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Those wouldn't be my first recommendation to someone worried about power consumption or efficiency.
Stereodude
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It seems something like a 14C/28T Intel Core i9-9990XE (pulling 300W+) that trades blows in benchmark with AMD's 12C/24T Ryzen 9 3900X (pulling 142W) is more what they're after.
But sure, complain about the 280W TDP of the 3960X & 3970X which will very likely lay waste to Intel CPUs like the Core i9-9990XE in pretty much anything multithreaded and still use less power.
AMD bad, Intel good!!!
Stereodude
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Not at all directed at you. It's directed at the people who seem to be in an Intel induced reality distortion field. I was just piggybacking off your post.
Stereodude
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It is per MHz
Chewy509
Wotty wot wot.
@LM, you'll need to wait until parts are released before you see any figures...
I plan to do some heavy Sony testing right before Xmas and then I'll decide what to do on December 30. Most likely I would be building a system in January. At this point I'm not at all sure what it will be.
Stereodude
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That's not what it means. It means you're guaranteed at least 3.5gHz with all cores loaded. That doesn't mean it won't run faster than 3.5gHz with all cores loaded.
Stereodude
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Except it's dependent on the silicon itself, cooling, and other factors. I guess you'd be happier if they got rid of the "turbo"/boost frequencies and it ran slower, but at a defined speed.
Lunar, check out this article from Anandtech and it might shed some light.
Looks like a full review on Anandtech for the Ryzen 9 3950X.
Stereodude
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Thanks for the heads up. It looks promising.
It does look promising. I am wondering now if I would be better served for my needs with a 3800X over the 3950X. I had mentioned earlier that I would wait for the release and reviews before deciding. Now I just need to figure out what I want to get.
Stereodude
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I will probably wait to see how the 24 core Zen2 Threadripper (3960X) performs in comparison before making up my mind.
Stereodude
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I would expect we'd see reviews by the 25th. I don't anticipate going to that level, but I will take a look at the benchmarks.
Stereodude
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As expected AMD clobbers Intel on the power consumption under load.
From: https://www.legitreviews.com/amd-ryzen-9-3950x-processor-review_215425/8
The Ryzen 9 3950X uses less power under load than an Intel Intel Core i9-9900KS or Intel Core i9-9900K while pretty much doubling their performance in most multi-threaded applications.
Some websites got 3950X CPUs that use less power under full load than the 3900X CPUs they reviewed. Legit Reviews is one where that's the case. Anandtech's 3950X uses a couple of watts more than their 3900X.
From: https://www.legitreviews.com/amd-ryzen-9-3950x-processor-review_215425/8
The Ryzen 9 3950X uses less power under load than an Intel Intel Core i9-9900KS or Intel Core i9-9900K while pretty much doubling their performance in most multi-threaded applications.
Some websites got 3950X CPUs that use less power under full load than the 3900X CPUs they reviewed. Legit Reviews is one where that's the case. Anandtech's 3950X uses a couple of watts more than their 3900X.
sechs
Storage? I am Storage!
I picked up a 3600 non-X. I'm running it stock on a B450 board with the stock cooler. It runs 100% load all day at 3.8GHz and pretty quiet.
Intel has work to do.
Intel has work to do.
It seems the idle power is a bit high, but the max power would only be during a working session.
Why does AMD require liquid cooling instead of a normal HSF or are they just being conservative? I don't want to buy one of those liquid coolers that might leak and cause a disaster.
DrunkenBastard
Storage is cool
I'm guessing video encoding. There's usually a sweet spot in terms of performance per dollar. Big bucks for a few percent more at the top.
DrunkenBastard
Storage is cool
Looks like they used Corsair Hydro H115i coolers on both the AMD and Intel CPUs for the purposes of the review? The retail CPUs don't use liquid cooling if that was your concern.It seems the idle power is a bit high, but the max power would only be during a working session.
Why does AMD require liquid cooling instead of a normal HSF or are they just being conservative? I don't want to buy one of those liquid coolers that might leak and cause a disaster.
DrunkenBastard
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My apologies, it does look like AMD recommend liquid cooling for the 3950X. I've had no issues with the Corsair Hydro all in one series, for a 6 Core Xeon.
https://www.amd.com/en/processors/3950x-thermal-solutions
https://www.amd.com/en/processors/3950x-thermal-solutions
Stereodude
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The 3950X barely generates any more heat than the 3900X and both are well under Intel's offerings. You can air cool them if you want if you're using a top tier air cooler. If I go 3950X I will be air cooling it. The best air coolers outperform the AIO water coolers anyhow.
Stereodude
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My plan is to build in the December to January time frame.