Vuze as a resource hog?

[Santilli]

Hi
I had Vuze going 24/7 on the Athlon 3200. I came in this morning to check on the download progress, and, the machine seemed frozen. I opened Task Manager, and Vuze was using 99-100% of my processor!;-0

Seems the 4 uploads, and, mainly the 4 completed torrents being sent out hogged the entire processor. I shut it down, restarted, and deleted the 4 completed torrents from the program.

That dropped it back to 2%. Has anyone else had a similar experience?

Thanks

GS

 

[Stereodude]

Use uTorrent instead.

 

[timwhit]

Use uTorrent instead.

Agreed.

 

[ddrueding]

Use uTorrent instead.

Thirded.

 

[Santilli]

Faster????
I will...

 

[ddrueding]

More stable isn't good enough? It should be as fast as the rest.

 

[Santilli]

Doesn't seem quite as user friendly, and, the stuff I'm after seems to revert back to being originally Vuze anyway...;-(

 

[ddrueding]

It is reverting because you haven't changed your file type association.

 

[timwhit]

It is reverting because you haven't changed your file type association.

uTorrent is pretty easy to use. It's the most popular bittorrent client in the world, if it was that hard to use no one would be using it.

 

[Handruin]

I fourth uTorrent. It does everything I need with 1/4 the calories.

 

[MaxBurn]

Hmm, well I will have to check it out, just been using regular old bittorrent all this time.

 

[ddrueding]

uTorrent is pretty easy to use. It's the most popular bittorrent client in the world, if it was that hard to use no one would be using it.

It isn't that hard to use unless your other, previously installed BT client keep hijacking the file association.

 

[sechs]

I've been using Azureus for years without much issue. I sometimes have thirty or forty torrents running a once -- much more of a memory problem than a processor one, since I've set my cache to be as large as is stable. I don't think that I've seen it use more than 10% on my computer, except when hash checking.

utorrent is a fine program, but doesn't have the flexibility that I have with Vuze.

 

[Mercutio]

I've found Vuze to be a resource hog for both RAM and CPU time, even on multicore systems.

To put that in perspective, my habit is to never stop seeding nor ever clear out the list of shared torrents on either of my torrent machines. Both have probably several hundred torrents, and both do so without any impairment on system performance. I'm still sharing torrents that I downloaded in 2006 on those machines.

 

[Handruin]

Do you have a guide on your website for safe torrent sharing practices, or do you not worry about that sort of thing? I'm surprised a tracker is still around from a 2006 torrent.

 

[Mercutio]

Demonoid is still around. Pirate Bay is still around. PureTNA, Empornium are as well.

The short list of things to do: Turn on data encryption and/or SSH tunnel your stuff through a third party. Run Peerguardian. Don't download USA studio movies or music that was ever top 40.

Don't watch or listen to downloaded music or movie through Windows Media Player. Don't read PDFs with Acrobat. Pay very close attention to file extensions. Look for "brand names" in release groups. Don't download audio or video that's been broken up into multipart .zip or .rar on a Windows PC.

Those are the main things that I do, anyway.

 

[Handruin]

I should have specified, I was looking more for your methods to protect from groups like RIAA (aside from the simplistic method of not downloading at all). I didn't realize Peerguarian was still around and useful. Are there specific brand names you look for (or avoid)? I've been using a VM for my torrents in case any of them are infected with crud. I set a restore point and if something goes wrong, I revert to the restore point.

 

[timwhit]

How about downloading from private trackers?

 

[Mercutio]

Most of what I'm looking for is not RIAA/MPAA-represented materials. It's not a big issue for me. I'm downloading porn, classical music (mostly European labels) and comic books. When there are TV shows I'm getting there are groups I'm looking for, but it depends on what you watch and what you like. Very often those will be the stuff with the most seeders anyway.

To the extent that I do want to watch movies or TV shows, I can probably get away with hitting a streaming video site, legal or not, to find those things. That's usually enough to hold me over until I can get DVDs to rip and add to the collection.

If you don't want to torrent, there's also the possibility of using USENET or Rapidshare to get your stuff.

I do belong to some private communities for special interest media, but they're, you know, private.

 

[Santilli]

Sam, could you elaborate? I recently got a couple notes, with a bunch of legal bull, written by my Astound provider.

When asked for Universals email, or address, they gave me a account that doesn't work, and no address. Appears they are trying to scare people out of using torrents.

I'm exempt, under fair use, for the stuff I downloaded.

Explain a bit of your comments posted a few up.

Thanks

GS

 

[Mercutio]

When asked for Universals email, or address, they gave me a account that doesn't work, and no address. Appears they are trying to scare people out of using torrents.

I'm exempt, under fair use, for the stuff I downloaded.

Your ISP is under pressure from RIAA and the MPAAA. Both organizations pay firms to monitor torrents and P2P services for egregious downloading. At any time, they're probably looking out for newly released material first and then very profitable back-catalog second.

Disney is the most rabid about this stuff though I hear tell that HBO is a real bitch, too. Generally MPAA-associated firms are more cool about things. They're content to ask ISPs to give warnings or just send a C&D rather than immediately and without warning suing someone. They seem to work with a "three strikes" rule from what I understand, though in some cases your ISP might, too.

You may be entitled to use clips as fair use but even if you are, you are obtaining them via a non-approved means of distribution, and you are obtaining the entire work. There's no flag in P2P/Torrents that says "I'm doing this for Fair Use", so to the copyright owner what you're doing is just violating the FBI warning that's on the beginning of every commercially produced DVD you've ever seen. If you really want to pursue Fair Use for something you're really supposed to use a legally approved method of distribution and as someone who went to law school I would expect you would know that.

 

[Santilli]

Catch 22 is only the older stuff is avaliable on DVD, and, I've got most of that, legally.

 

[Mercutio]

OK, and the MPAA has made fair use of DVDs as difficult as possible, but technically they're well within their legal rights to prevent you from using unauthorized distribution.

Peerguardian probably helps somewhat to prevent certain agencies from tracking you, but I don't really know how well it works, since the stuff I want to download generally carries something between very little and absolutely zero risk to obtain through P2P.

 

[Santilli]

As for law school, copyright is not a standard subject.

 

[sechs]

Sam, could you elaborate? I recently got a couple notes, with a bunch of legal bull, written by my Astound provider.

Turn on transport encryption.

Sometimes, when I'm having trouble with a torrent, I'll futz around with settings and turn encryption off. Upload rate immediately decreases. Once it's back on, everything is normal.

They say that they don't interfere with the traffic, but we know that's not true. They also started slapping caps on some plans. Astound is really starting to chap my hide. I may switch back to AT&T; at least I'll get free WiFi.

 

[Mercutio]

Most smart torrent users have a setting turned on that says "don't send packets to clients not using encryption."

That's why your transfer rate drops.

But Comcast at least just rate-limits everything that exceeds a certain upload speed for a certain period of time, without regard for what kind of traffic it is. Basically their view is that no legitimate use of upstream bandwidth should require more than two minutes or so of full upstream bandwidth, and then they throttle you down.

The good news is, they've stopped doing this on business connections like the one I have at home. The bad news is, they're still doing it to everyone else.

 

[ddrueding]

The advantage of bonding 3 T1s, it may cost a small fortune ($1300/mo for 4.5/4.5), but you know they aren't going to throttle you

 

[Handruin]

Even one T1 would be nice.

 

[sechs]

Most smart torrent users have a setting turned on that says "don't send packets to clients not using encryption."

Turning off "Require encrypted transport" doesn't stop people from from making encrypted connections with me. It stops *requiring* people to make encrypted connections with me.

I turn it off, clients start sending me unencrypted stuff, and everything goes kablooey. And it's just Bittorrent traffic; everything else is fine.

And it's upload, not download. I have incoming connections set to allow unencrypted; I have no idea if it makes a difference. It's only for uploading that they seem to nail people, and that was Santilli's problem.