Laptop time?

[LunarMist]

So for work purposes the laptops are 6th version of the X1 YoGI. According to the Lendovo site they have version 8 already.
I don't know what Surfaces they have, but for starters they have a special power supply jack and only two USB ports. The X1 is like a little smaller brick than the old ones (smaller Bezel), but still quite heavy.

 

[LunarMist]

What is normal for battery drain? My personal laptop (assembled in June 2023) loses more than I like. It's down roughly 10% in less than a week. I need to test more accurately, but is that normal and what can be done?

I don't have use for the laptop at home because it has no Ethernets. Is there any way to turn on such a laptop remotely (5 feet away)?

 

[Mercutio]

I think I can get 6 hours off a charge on my X1E if I keep the screen turned down. I don't ever really let it sit idle in a bag though.

 

[sedrosken]

The problem with letting a laptop sleep in a bag is that Microsoft forces some newer sleep standards than plain ol' S3, meaning the WiFi hardware will wake up every so often, connect, and update some things. If you've ever noticed your laptop was rather hot and used a ton of battery while it was asleep when you pulled it out of your bag, this is why. I think what happens, being charitable, is that someone might close the laptop while they're on AC, putting it into the higher-tech sleep mode which doesn't matter since it's on AC, and then unplug it -- the laptop never gets the memo that it's supposed to shunt into S3 from there to save battery, because I've never noticed this behavior when I outright just close it while on battery.

I'm on Linux and I'm on an old MBP with 85% of the design capacity remaining, so my figures are likely worthless to you, but I manage around 6h on battery depending on what I'm doing. I haven't measured battery leakage while in sleep as I expect that'd take too long and I'm too impatient. Suffice to say it does what I need it to do.

 

[LunarMist]

I think I can get 6 hours off a charge on my X1E if I keep the screen turned down. I don't ever really let it sit idle in a bag though.

The YoGI doesn't seem to have very good battery life even though it is from Q2 2022, not that I care too much for work. I have a 10Ah battery in my office bag if it needs an extra boost.

I practically never use my personal laptop on battery. Part of the reason is the stupid display issue.
I wish the battery could be removed completely, but it probably would act up. Before the Fujitsu left the North America, they had ordering options for a smaller battery but it would throttle down unless plugged in.

 

[LunarMist]

The problem with letting a laptop sleep in a bag is that Microsoft forces some newer sleep standards than plain ol' S3, meaning the WiFi hardware will wake up every so often, connect, and update some things. If you've ever noticed your laptop was rather hot and used a ton of battery while it was asleep when you pulled it out of your bag, this is why. I think what happens, being charitable, is that someone might close the laptop while they're on AC, putting it into the higher-tech sleep mode which doesn't matter since it's on AC, and then unplug it -- the laptop never gets the memo that it's supposed to shunt into S3 from there to save battery, because I've never noticed this behavior when I outright just close it while on battery.

I sometimes leave my work laptop on after an morning TEAMS meeting at home and it sure is warm when I open the sleeve in the offices, but otherwise it took forever to boot. The newer (version 6) one is usable after about 1.5 minutes so I may just power down.

I'm trying to figure out how to use my new personal 1360P at home, rather than just a few times per year. I'm not seeing any way to turn it on without opening. I'd like to squirrel it away under a desk or somewhere that doesn't consume real estate on top of a desk or table.

 

[Mercutio]

I'm trying to figure out how to use my new personal 1360P at home, rather than just a few times per year. I'm not seeing any way to turn it on without opening.

I think this is pretty obvious but can't you just go in to power options and set "Do nothing when lid is closed and system is plugged in" under your power profile? You'd just have to open it to turn it on the first time.

My stack of back to school laptops this year are Lenovo Ideapad 1 R3 7320U 8GB 250GB models. They're around $320 apiece and I only hate them a little, and almost all the hate is just due to the fact that they have a condensed number pad. Numpads don't belong on notebooks. Typing off-center from the screen messes up my typing accuracy pretty substantially. Other than that, they aren't bad. They're light but well constructed and have a nice touchpad and bright screen, and if the R3 is a touch slower than the i3 version on a per-core basis, the Ryzen is 4c/8t and lowers the price on the system by about $50 compared to Intel. The hardware is the absolute floor of what I'd expect from a new notebook, but at least we're finally in the place where I can always expect 8GB RAM and 250GB SSD in my $300-ish product. FINALLY.

The back to school laptop deal is something weird one of my customers asks me to do, but it does mean I spend more time trying to find the best product I can from the mass of vomit-grade consumer laptops.

 

[LunarMist]

Children have small fingers and unformed brains; I'm sure they can easily adapt to anything on a cheap laptop. Around here the public school kids are supposedly on the Google laptops of Chrome.

 

[Santilli]

With chips that now require huge coolers, how do you cool a laptop, and what do you look at?
MY CF-53v4 got flooded on, so the 16 gig is gone. I have a v1 that still has 8 gig, but it's noticeably slower then the 16GB was.
For 500 dollars I can maybe find a used CF 53 v4, with 16 gig.
Desktop uses 16-20 gigs of memory during normal useage.
Keyboard on the CF-54 are unacceptable.
Figure just wait, and the prices will come down more...

 

[Santilli]

5k for a "semi-rugged" laptop???, that gets water damaged and destroyed?
Not for me...
Wait only till Panasonics drop like crazy in price, for 55's...

 

[LunarMist]

What are you doing that really requires more than 16GB in a laptop and needs to be rugged? Mostly those are sold for LE, construction, some military, etc. A modern laptop with 16GB will run circles around an ancient laptop with more RAM. You can get a nice Pelican case and various water resistant covers for a lot less money.

You can get a rugged DELL starting for much less cost.

Dell Latitude 14 Inch 5430 Rugged Laptop

14" semi-rugged laptop that’s lightweight, powerful and equipped with enhanced battery life, 5G connectivity and up to Intel® Core™ i7 processors

www.dell.com

They also have accidental damage support.

 

[Santilli]

Waterproof keyboard
General, spill resistance
well balanced general package
with ram, and SSD
Like larger screens, getting old
don't need a touch screen
Like high quality keyboards that require effort
Watch movies, limited games

 

[Santilli]

What are you doing that really requires more than 16GB in a laptop and needs to be rugged? Mostly those are sold for LE, construction, some military, etc. A modern laptop with 16GB will run circles around an ancient laptop with more RAM. You can get a nice Pelican case and various water resistant covers for a lot less money.

You can get a rugged DELL starting for much less cost.

Dell Latitude 14 Inch 5430 Rugged Laptop

14" semi-rugged laptop that’s lightweight, powerful and equipped with enhanced battery life, 5G connectivity and up to Intel® Core™ i7 processors

www.dell.com

They also have accidental damage support.

My comment was since the Mark 3 had 16 gigs, and was noticeably faster then the 8 gig, Mark 1 that is left.

 

[LunarMist]

If you want a rugged laptop that works under all sorts of environmental conditions then you buy a DELL Lattitude Rugged, Getac or similar. They are bulky, heavy, and built to MIL STDs to withstand impacts and the elements. If you are just worried about spilling a cup of coffee on the keyboard then it's more efficient to get a general laptop for far less money and pay for the accidental damage policy. There are also some ruggedized tablets that might be better for field use.

 

[Mercutio]

IIRC the Toughbooks pass one more MIL-SPEC standard than Thinkpad T series do at a cost of reasonably contemporary hardware, but they're Greg's brand and it's his money.

I messed with an Acer Predator gaming laptop a little bit ago. Gaming laptops are an absolute scam. Four months old and it the underside felt like white hot magma. No way it lasts out it's warranty.

 

[LunarMist]

Do you put the Toughbooks below the Getac, but above DELL Rugged?

 

[sedrosken]

I loved my CF-28, and forever curse that I attempted to swap the keyboard and botched the job. It was slow as hell, but I've never had a machine that felt more solid.

 

[Mercutio]

Do you put the Toughbooks below the Getac, but above DELL Rugged?

I've never messed with a Getac system at all. dd with his background at a construction company probably has more of a feel for rugged devices than I do.

 

[Santilli]

I've never messed with a Getac system at all. dd with his background at a construction company probably has more of a feel for rugged devices than I do.

I visited DD's 'construction' place. Huge, very high end, luxury building. DD WAS the IT department, and it was incredible!
Didn't see any laptops, at all, but I was there to pick up my old build, that was still working...
The CF-53 has a better keyboard, and feels more solid then the 54.
55 is WAY too much money, right now, for my uses.
Never had a 28, but the fully rugged are bullet proof.
I could see trying a used FR....

 

[ddrueding]

At the company Santilli visited I did play with a lot of the rugged laptops, but we decided to skip them entirely in favor of the cheapest $350 Dell laptops. No matter how rugged, they are just as likely to get lost and more likely to get stolen. Better for our uses to have a cabinet full of replacements that were already imaged for the field operators, combined with installing hard mounts in their vehicles. By the time I left I'd managed to negotiate a deal with our cell carrier that they would provide last-gen tablets with rugged cases for $100 each as part of our contract.