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Official Certified for/Works with Vista list: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/933305
More Vista nonsense
- Thread starter Bozo
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sechs
Storage? I am Storage!
That's not quite true. As for many titles, *existing* Adobe products aren't supported on Vista.
You can't expect a company to support their software on an operating system that wasn't out at the time of release. Particularly one that's as hacked-up as Vista.
Bozo
Storage? I am Storage!
I'm not blaming the companies. The artical says that Adobe will not be making available patches for existing software to run on Vista. You must buy new programs.
Bozo :joker:
Bozo :joker:
Buck
Storage? I am Storage!
If this is helpful for anyone, here is the MS page for Windows Vista Application Compatibility Update.
ddrueding
Fixture
Interesting. I get the response "this update does not apply to your system"...
Mercutio
Fatwah on Western Digital
Microsoft giveth and Microsoft taketh awayeth.
Apparently, while Vista's "time remaining" counters for file move and copy operations are now much more accurate than they've ever been, there's a pretty serious Vista bug that makes it vastly slower for actually copying and moving files.
Linkage. I guess the patch from Technet is really obnoxious to install, too.
For what it's worth, Windows just sucks at copying files to begin with. This might be news to anyone who hasn't tried copying 20GBs of 100kB of JPGs or a 22GB HDDVD image in Linux, but trust me, it's true.
Can I get a "Vista sux" from all the usual suspects?
Apparently, while Vista's "time remaining" counters for file move and copy operations are now much more accurate than they've ever been, there's a pretty serious Vista bug that makes it vastly slower for actually copying and moving files.
Linkage. I guess the patch from Technet is really obnoxious to install, too.
For what it's worth, Windows just sucks at copying files to begin with. This might be news to anyone who hasn't tried copying 20GBs of 100kB of JPGs or a 22GB HDDVD image in Linux, but trust me, it's true.
Can I get a "Vista sux" from all the usual suspects?
ddrueding
Fixture
Vista sux.
But I do think it's better for day to day users than XP. Then again...
XP sux.
Having never spent serious time in Linux, I've always known large numbers of small files to take a long time. Copying large files always seems to be disk/network limited to me. :shrug:
But I do think it's better for day to day users than XP. Then again...
XP sux.
Having never spent serious time in Linux, I've always known large numbers of small files to take a long time. Copying large files always seems to be disk/network limited to me. :shrug:
Bozo
Storage? I am Storage!
Sol
Storage is cool
I've always found that copying from Linux is much faster even if your copying to a Windows box. It's so noticeable that I've had several people ask if there is a version of Samba for Windows...
Mercutio
Fatwah on Western Digital
re: Vista Slow Copies
4GB of files from a 100Mbit switched network to a USB2 hard disk: 3 hours and five minutes, actual time.
Vista claimed it would be at most 40 minutes, and even that is unreasonable.
4GB of files from a 100Mbit switched network to a USB2 hard disk: 3 hours and five minutes, actual time.
Vista claimed it would be at most 40 minutes, and even that is unreasonable.
Bozo
Storage? I am Storage!
mubs
Storage? I am Storage!
I was afraid of that. Maybe I should buy a retail copy of XP just in case?
ddrueding
Fixture
You should still be able to buy a copy of the OS for some time (they need to keep it available for legacy purposes).
Bozo
Storage? I am Storage!
Mercutio
Fatwah on Western Digital
More retarded Vistaness.
This time from teh Reg.
I'm actually kind of sad that Dell is going back to loading XP. I was getting a lot more interest in the computers I've been building since folks have been looking brand name PCs and seeing only a Vista option.
This time from teh Reg.
I'm actually kind of sad that Dell is going back to loading XP. I was getting a lot more interest in the computers I've been building since folks have been looking brand name PCs and seeing only a Vista option.
mubs
Storage? I am Storage!
Handy is becoming truly acerbic in the fine tradition of Merc....what a way with words!
That's really dumb! Names mean nothing.
Well on top of that, this should make your day
Pirated Vista betas will kill your data
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=39165
Pirated Vista betas will kill your data
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=39165
ddrueding
Fixture
fb
Storage is cool
nice...
mubs
Storage? I am Storage!
Are there any incompatibilities between NTFS in XP SP2 and Vista? In other words, if I were to dual boot XP SP2 and Vista, and they wrote to the same NTFS partitions, would there be a problem?
Thanks.
Thanks.
ddrueding
Fixture
dunno. I know my GPT partitions are not compatible...
mubs
Storage? I am Storage!
Thanks DD. I won't be using GPT, just NTFS. I guess there's not a lot of interest in Vista at the moment.
FWIW when I tried vista I could read my storage partitions no problem and XP could read vista's drive partition. My existing partitions were created either with XP's utility or partition magic. Vista's partition was created with MS's built in vista utility and worked fine BUT PM would have nothing to do with that drive afterwards with some strange error.
I wiped the drive and set up some basic NTFS partitions and then installed vista on that as is which worked fine also, plus afterwards I didn't have any errors as far as PM was concerned.
So something funky with their partition utility but it all still worked fine.
I wiped the drive and set up some basic NTFS partitions and then installed vista on that as is which worked fine also, plus afterwards I didn't have any errors as far as PM was concerned.
So something funky with their partition utility but it all still worked fine.
Bozo
Storage? I am Storage!
If you use System Restore in XP, Vista will corrupt the files. Vista and XP use two different methods for System Restore, and they don't play nice together.
Bozo :joker:
Bozo :joker:
sechs
Storage? I am Storage!
Unlike XP, isn't Vista *supposed* to be backwards compatible?
ddrueding
Fixture
Vista is compatible with XP, but XP is not entirely compatible with Vista. I'd assume this is all one could ask for, considering Vista didn't exist when XP was written.
mubs
Storage? I am Storage!
Thanks, all!
Max - very informative. That tip about creating the NTFS partition first with PM and then installing Vista on it is very relevant to me. Thanks.
Bozo, I have never used System Restore and never will. I use an imaging utility when I need to. But thanks for the tip; that could be a real gotcha for someone who does.
Sechs & DD: Not sure if I'm in sync with you, but I didn't make my intention clear in my initial post. Vista and XP will live in separate primary partitions and the partition of the non-active OS will be hidden automagically by a boot mangler. My concern was with sharing the data partitions that are inside an extended partition. I remember when there was an incompatibility in NTFS partitons that led to something (defragmenter ?) not working. I think that was between WinNT and Win2k. I was concerned there might be a similar issue between XP32 and Vista 64, but I guess not.
Thanks!
Max - very informative. That tip about creating the NTFS partition first with PM and then installing Vista on it is very relevant to me. Thanks.
Bozo, I have never used System Restore and never will. I use an imaging utility when I need to. But thanks for the tip; that could be a real gotcha for someone who does.
Sechs & DD: Not sure if I'm in sync with you, but I didn't make my intention clear in my initial post. Vista and XP will live in separate primary partitions and the partition of the non-active OS will be hidden automagically by a boot mangler. My concern was with sharing the data partitions that are inside an extended partition. I remember when there was an incompatibility in NTFS partitons that led to something (defragmenter ?) not working. I think that was between WinNT and Win2k. I was concerned there might be a similar issue between XP32 and Vista 64, but I guess not.
Thanks!
I had no problem with being able to see the other OS partition no matter what OS I was in be it Vista or XP. I was using the regular MS boot manager and I did have two primary partitions, one for each OS plus another drive just for storage. I don't recall ever seeing the non active OS partition being hidden?
mubs
Storage? I am Storage!
You'll need a 3rd party boot manager to do it. like V-Systems' System Commander, or BootMagic, or BootIt, etc. These present a menu on boot; when you pick the OS you want, they hide all other primary partitions (there's an option not to hide, of course). I don't have Vista (yet) but have found that though W2k will not see the hidden primary, Defragmenter in W2k will see it and allow you to defrag that hidden partition. I haven't multi-booted XP yet, but suspect the same thing would happen there as well.
ddrueding
Fixture
The potential for boot managers to mess things up has always concerned me. When I need to run multiple OSes I give each a hard drive and use the BIOS to pick which one; or just use VMWare.
mubs
Storage? I am Storage!
Been doing it for years - since W95 was released in, well, 1995 :-D. Never had a problem.
sechs
Storage? I am Storage!
Then Vista shouldn't jack-up XP, a la Bozo's post above.
ddrueding
Fixture
Perhaps Bozo could clarify. When you use System Restore in XP, how does Vista do anything? If you are running XP, isn't it XP that is messing things up?
Bozo
Storage? I am Storage!
I don't use system restore either. But during the Beta test there was a lot of dicussion about XP deleting Vista restore points. MS didn't fix the problem.
This link describes a fix though. http://www.lockergnome.com/nexus/bl...stem-restore-to-keep-restore-points-in-vista/
I just wonder over a long period of time, what other problems would pop up. The stupid problems that come and go, and you never really find a cause or cure.
I use removable hard drives for booting multiple operating systems.
Bozo :joker:
This link describes a fix though. http://www.lockergnome.com/nexus/bl...stem-restore-to-keep-restore-points-in-vista/
I just wonder over a long period of time, what other problems would pop up. The stupid problems that come and go, and you never really find a cause or cure.
I use removable hard drives for booting multiple operating systems.
Bozo :joker:
mubs
Storage? I am Storage!
Can XP & Vista use the same swap file? If not, if individual swap files are defined, does one OS mess the swap file of the other? IF nobody knows, I'll probably post the answers in a few weeks. :-D
ddrueding
Fixture
From the "fix" Bozo pointed to, it seems things just work better if one OS partition can't see the other OS partition. This is basically the same as using a boot manager or removable hard drives. I don't think any of these issues would impact a data drive.