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jtr1962

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Looks like 12G can be sustained for a while. Depends on the bodies orientations.

What about John Stapp stopping from Mach 0.9 in 1 sec! That did bugger his vision tho.
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How long you can sustain a given g-force depends upon orientation. You can sustain 14g for a while with full immersion. The chart plots g-force versus g minutes. It looks like it's possible to accelerate at 14 g while immersed just long enough to reach orbital velocity ( 17,500 mph ). That would be reached in about 1 minute, so that's how long you can tolerate 14 g under the best of circumstances. I wonder if slowly rotating the body to prevent the pooling of blood would increase g-force tolerances further? Kind of cool though thinking you can go from dead-stopped on the ground to in orbit in about a minute with suitable protection.

Link to site where the above chart was found
 

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I'm not exactly sure. Google has had some site-level vulnerabilities. Maybe I got zapped in some cross-site scripting attack.

I had the same problem with my Comcast account. I only found out when I started getting a ton of 'Returned' e-mails that were undeliverable.
I talked to Comcast security and the problem went away.
 

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Immersed in something about the same density as your body. Like they did in the Rama novels I think.


Not a good time to be flying out of logan at the moment.
 

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Merc, did that message show up in your sent items?

No. Not locally on any of my systems nor remotely on either Gmail (where I believe the messages originated) or Yahoo. Does that mean whatever attacked was smart enough to delete the sent items, or does it mean that the thing that attacked just harvested my contacts list along with my email address? I'm not sure. I suspect the latter.
 

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No. Not locally on any of my systems nor remotely on either Gmail (where I believe the messages originated) or Yahoo. Does that mean whatever attacked was smart enough to delete the sent items, or does it mean that the thing that attacked just harvested my contacts list along with my email address? I'm not sure. I suspect the latter.

I've also seen it happen where someone gets a virus and it is able to steal their Outlook address book. It then picks one of the addresses on there as the sender and sends SPAM to the rest of the list. Your account may never have been compromised.
 

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Recovering from a major case of food poisoning. The Jamba Juice on North Main, been losing weight for 20 hours. My wife thinks we should go in for a saline drip due to dehydration. Blah.
 

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I was going to suggest the same thing. That's what I've done in the past and it works fine.
 

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How long you can sustain a given g-force depends upon orientation. You can sustain 14g for a while with full immersion. The chart plots g-force versus g minutes. It looks like it's possible to accelerate at 14 g while immersed just long enough to reach orbital velocity ( 17,500 mph ). That would be reached in about 1 minute, so that's how long you can tolerate 14 g under the best of circumstances. I wonder if slowly rotating the body to prevent the pooling of blood would increase g-force tolerances further? Kind of cool though thinking you can go from dead-stopped on the ground to in orbit in about a minute with suitable protection.


I suspect that age and general condition are important factors. A few G would probably be the end of me.
 

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I've never seen it person, but there was a series on the HBO. :dwarf:
 

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Recovering from a major case of food poisoning. The Jamba Juice on North Main, been losing weight for 20 hours. My wife thinks we should go in for a saline drip due to dehydration. Blah.

Just have your wife bring a bag home with her. Apparently D5 n/s/half with 10 milli equivalents of K, and a 10 milligram shot of compazine. Set it up in the comfort of your own home. Chances are if you go to the ED you'll come back with something more serious. Better get that recipe checked, no K if you have heart problems tho.
 

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I've also seen it happen where someone gets a virus and it is able to steal their Outlook address book. It then picks one of the addresses on there as the sender and sends SPAM to the rest of the list. Your account may never have been compromised.

Yup I'm thinking this is the likely situation. It's a way to get other people who trust you to open the evil payload of someone else. You are probably uninfected.
 

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She's as sick as I am, I hadn't thought that ordering the same thing would be a liability. No access to meds anymore, she's just teaching.
 

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Standard Gatorade may increase diarrhea, thanks to the high sugar (fructose) content. Excess sugar also inhibits absorption, so it's better than drinking nothing, but far from ideal if you're starting to get dehydrated.
 

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Gatorade has 6g of glucose per 100ml, which increases hydratation. You absord it faster than water. Other beverages with higher sugar concentration are to avoid though, as they are absordbed slower than water by your body.
 

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Don't know if this is available in the US (or something similar), but I've used this on occasion: http://www.hydralyte.com/home

Details are as:
Code:
Ingredient               Hydralyte             Sports Drink (approx)
 Sodium 	         45-55mmol/L           10mmol/L
 Potassium 	         20mmol/L              4mmol/L
 Chloride 	         45mmol/L              N/A
 Citrate 	         30mmol/L              N/A
 Carbohydrates           80mmol/L (16g/L)      400mmol/L (80g/L)


Source: http://www.hydralyte.com/dehydration
 

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I usually try to stick with the G2 Gatorade which has a bunch less sugars and carbs. It's not perfect, but a little better. For example, the 8oz G2 will have something like 7 grams of sugar vs 14 g in the original Gatorade.
 

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Gatorade has 6g of glucose per 100ml, which increases hydratation.

No, osmolarity above about 3.5g/100ml decreases water uptake. Check the proportions in Chewy's table, which is pretty similar to WHO recommendations, etc.

Also, current Gatorade actually uses High Fructose Corn Syrup, not pure glucose (although perversely, that might actually help). They're planning to change to some kind of dextrose like they use in their G2 product.

Don't forget, just one liter of Gatorade means 60g of HFCS; it adds up fast.
 

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Don't get me wrong, I like Gatorade when I'm seriously overheated, say after an hour or two mowing on a really hot day. That's because the electrolyte additives mean I can drink a lot quite quickly, as opposed to plain water.

But I've never needed more than one or two bottles. Vomiting and diarrhea can be a far more insidious problem lasting days, and the electrolyte and water losses are different. If you're really sick, or some kind of endurance athlete, Gatorade is not for you.

Handruin, I agree G2 sounds safer.
 

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They are supposed to have changed to glucose (well, dextrose) this year. Also, back in the days when I read about water uptake, the optimal sugar amount was between 3g and 6g per 100ml. Beyond 6g was no longer positive. Don't ask me the source, I read that some fifteen years ago, probably at a gym.
 

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She's as sick as I am, I hadn't thought that ordering the same thing would be a liability. No access to meds anymore, she's just teaching.


Ah, in that case, ED it is. With my insurance unless it's critical you need the primary care physicians OK to get the visit covered (no probs if you get admitted tho). Prob more civilised in CA.

Was it a particular juice or did everyone who visited get sick?
 

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Wow, that's a bit third world, isn't it? I'm not trying to be a smart ass, I'm genuinely interested, and Pradeep has some perspective on this.

In Oz, people whine about having to wait - in some cases up to several hours - to be seen in ED. However, that's after you've been triaged. If you need urgent attention, you almost always get it.

It costs nothing - for Australian residents, obviously.

Alternatively, there are some 24hr 'super' clinics, both private and public. They also tend to be free.

Finally, there are private hospital EDs. One we've been to promises to cap costs at $200 (it's normally about half that) - assuming you're not admitted, of course.
 

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We didn't end up going, but we would have gone to a local "urgent care" (eg. "doc in a box") and paid cash. Probably a hundred bucks or so. They are the equivalent of Fry's; so long as you go in knowing exactly what you want, you're in good shape. Just don't ask them to make a judgement call.

Last time I went there was for poison oak; walked in, spelled out exactly what and how much cortizone I wanted, and paid cash.
 

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Yeah, we have the same concept ('small medical center'), but I don't think they could be bothered setting up an I.V. line.

Having said that, that's where we've gone when someone has acute vomiting/diarrhea that won't quit. They just give you a shot of Stemetil for the nausea, possibly a prescription for some Immodium tablets, and you're on your way.

A few times it's been really bad, so we've asked a doc to make a housecall. In the old days, it was our regular doctor(s), but for the last decade or so it's been after-hours locum services. This may be free or there may be a gap charge. The snag is that you will likely have to wait a couple of hours or more, but it's better than waiting in ED.
 

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A few times it's been really bad, so we've asked a doc to make a housecall. In the old days, it was our regular doctor(s), but for the last decade or so it's been after-hours locum services. This may be free or there may be a gap charge. The snag is that you will likely have to wait a couple of hours or more, but it's better than waiting in ED.

No such option here. If you can't make it to them on your own, they'll send an ambulance to get you. Congratulations, your bill just went into the thousands. One of the many shortcomings of a purely commercially driven medical system is that it is driven by money, not by health.
 

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I've never once had a problem with waiting at an emergency Room or Urgent Care facility. I've never had to wait to be seen by by a triage nurse. Paperwork has never taken more than 15 minutes and twice, I didn't even have to deal with paperwork until later. After completing the paperwork, I've always been ushered in to see a doctor immediately. How can one complain about such.

That being said, everyone I've talked to have been amazed. They give stories of having to wait hours and hours. All I can say is that when I've gone to one of these facilities it was because it was an obvious "emergency". I'm not saying that the waiting rooms weren't full, because they have always been such. I just never had to bother waiting.

My complaint with the health care system (other than cost which is totally outrageous) has never been emergency or urgent care rather it has been the managed care afterwards. The waits are much longer, and the quality hasn't been so good. Even the local hospital hasn't been exactly a good quality of care with very serious errors occuring.
 

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hello, good morning from here. been elsewhere. not really a place, though.
having "fun" back reading. may have a few thoughts to post.
regards to everyone.
 

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Wow, that's a bit third world, isn't it? I'm not trying to be a smart ass, I'm genuinely interested, and Pradeep has some perspective on this.

In Oz, people whine about having to wait - in some cases up to several hours - to be seen in ED. However, that's after you've been triaged. If you need urgent attention, you almost always get it.

It costs nothing - for Australian residents, obviously.

Alternatively, there are some 24hr 'super' clinics, both private and public. They also tend to be free.

Finally, there are private hospital EDs. One we've been to promises to cap costs at $200 (it's normally about half that) - assuming you're not admitted, of course.

IME in the US you will be triaged reasonably soon after entering the ED (obviously if you've been shot or a broken bone is sticking out of you you may get faster service.

The problem that arises in urban areas is that the poor and uninsured use the ED as a first port of call, from colds to pregnancy tests etc. Some hospitals are trying to reduce this by having a separate section for non serious patients.

To give you an idea, right now we are continuing coverage of benefits from my wife's last job. You can do this for upto 3 years (COBRA). Now in that situation the employer is no longer contributing part of the cost of coverage, and it comes to a bit over USD$1000 per month for a family of 4. There is currently some assistance for a few months by the government, if you lost your job involuntarily, that pays 40% of that. But then back to full wack.

And that $1000 a month still doesn't exempt paying $20 copay per doctors visit, $30 for a specialist, and between $10, $20 or $40 per prescription. There are no government price controls on prescription drugs, apparently US buyers fund cheaper prices in other countries.

A prime example would be Zyrtec (it recently went generic in the US, this was prior to that).

The same drug that costs AUD$6 or 7 costs about USD$85. And the Oz one you could get over the counter, in the US you needed a prescription.

So you can see how that whilst the US is mostly an "at-will" employment situation, the employee is beholden to the employer to continue working there, purely for the medical benefits. And without continous coverage, you will face denials for pre-existing conditions. So unless your partner can take up coverage with their employer, you are stuck between a rock and a hard place.

When I start waxing lyrical about how in Aus, a simple swipe of the Medicare card is all you needed at a bulk billing establishment to see a doc, they just can't comprehend it.
 

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No such option here. If you can't make it to them on your own, they'll send an ambulance to get you. Congratulations, your bill just went into the thousands. One of the many shortcomings of a purely commercially driven medical system is that it is driven by money, not by health.
The bottom line in the USA is no insurance, no medical care. Those who are poor are covered by Medicaid, those who are old are covered by Medicare. Some are covered through their jobs. The rest buy insurance on their own if they can ( last I heard that cost anywhere from $800 to $2000 per month for a single person here in NYC ). In theory you can pay out of pocket, assuming you find a doctor willing to accept it. Problem is they assume anyone paying out of pocket is well off, and charge a couple of times typical insurance reimbursement rates. I was quoted a lowball figure of $5000 just to get a basic checkup and blood test, for example. The doctor said he needs to charge that to cover his risk on the out-of-pocket patients who don't pay. So it looks like even routine medical care is out for me. Thankfully I can still afford the dentist, provided I don't require much work.

The best solution if you're uninsured is to just not get sick. The systems elsewhere may not be perfect, but I doubt you have the sheer numbers we have in the US who as a matter of course must simply deal without routine medical care, including regular checkups. The perverse part is we spend more on medicine per capita than countries with so-called socialized medicine.
 

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Yes without routine medical care catching early signs of disease, there's much more spent on acute care later on. Honestly I never imagined that medical insurance in the US would cost as much as a mortgage payment. I was ready for rivers of blood in the streets from all the gang bangers shooting it out in borad daylight, that never eventuated. This is worse. Given that insurance premiums continue to rise on a yearly basis far beyond what income is increasing at, I don't see how this can continue much longer.
 
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