SSDs - State of the Product?

Stereodude

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Now, maybe you're just being a condescending dick, but it's not like I haven't been making efforts to have some kind of companionship in my life. I just haven't been successful by any rational metric.
I'm not being a condescending dick. I never had much luck with the ladies until I met my wife, but I was alluding to the fact that above all else women seem to like confidence, and that your attitude does not seem to exude confidence. I'm sure you know this, and this isn't a dating site, so I'll try to keep it short...

Dating is a bit like sales. You've got to sell yourself. If you were trying to sell a PC to someone, and all you told them about was how much it sucked, would they buy it? Of course not! Dating is no different. If you aren't happy with yourself and talk yourself down to the opposite sex, you'll get nowhere.
 

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Dating is a bit like sales. You've got to sell yourself. If you were trying to sell a PC to someone, and all you told them about was how much it sucked, would they buy it? Of course not! Dating is no different. If you aren't happy with yourself and talk yourself down to the opposite sex, you'll get nowhere.
It sounds more like Merc's problem is similar to mine-he doesn't even get to the point where he's able to talk himself down. Once I got out of high school, I pretty much stopped meeting members of the opposite sex I found even remotely interesting. College forget it. Work even more so. The subway maybe a few, but there's a certain unacceptability to trying to pick up dating partners there.

I'm throughly convinced finding a partner is sheer luck. Either you have the good fortune to randomly bump into someone suitable, or you end up like me or Merc.

P.S. I've been told I'm not that bad looking, if fact I probably look a good 15-20 years less than my chronological age, so that's not the problem. Neither is my personality. I can probably do just fine in a relationship, I just don't get the chance to enter one.
 

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It sounds more like Merc's problem is similar to mine-he doesn't even get to the point where he's able to talk himself down. Once I got out of high school, I pretty much stopped meeting members of the opposite sex I found even remotely interesting. College forget it. Work even more so. The subway maybe a few, but there's a certain unacceptability to trying to pick up dating partners there.

I'm throughly convinced finding a partner is sheer luck. Either you have the good fortune to randomly bump into someone suitable, or you end up like me or Merc.

P.S. I've been told I'm not that bad looking, if fact I probably look a good 15-20 years less than my chronological age, so that's not the problem. Neither is my personality. I can probably do just fine in a relationship, I just don't get the chance to enter one.

Ok, now I get it "SSD" state of the product...Sexually Starved for Dating, lol.

You can't meet people if you keep to yourself, in college, in work unless you work involves travel, networking with employee's of other companies...in the case of Merc, think he needs a consulting job for the local Hooters :p (I'm against workplace relationships...bad news). But you've got to be out there for any chance at all. What do you think, women are going to come knocking down your doors? (except for the cyberspace relationships that in real life usually turn out wrong as the very high % of damaged/issues related personalities on the Net almost guarantee's a bad outcome/disappointment is my friend). Course, Merc's always negative, mopping on this form...um most women would want to stay 10ft away with a stiff pole...too much of a damaged, low-self esteem/self hating/loathing, built in anger issues with his assumed 'plot in life' to see much of the positive side stuff.

Got to learn to lighten up more often. Life is enough of a downer, can't bring that full force of reality into a budding relationship with much success. Then again, last night I was watching the local LA TV 30min show on Ch. 4 (damn, I'm going to have to get a digital capable LCD TV by Feb. 17th :( ) about some 30-40 somethin tall thin female, being escorted around to some 'cheap' $7-9mil 4-5sq ft luxury homes in the heart of Beverly Hills. After fawning over all the of ammenities, examining the lack of 'totality' of what she wanted for future children/size, the buyer decided she wanted more, that her original budget (missed that part, must have been $10M or more) would allow.

And the Big 3 Amer. auto companies are in trouble, the so called Southern (Republican's against Detroit bail out) States Import auto company sales are off (Hyundai, Toyota, Nissan, etc) nearly just as much as the Big 3. Only sales increases for the month of Nov. was a small percentage increase in Ferrari & Rolls Royce. According to Ken Rockwell's size, in addition to the over priced $8k, 24MP Nikon, backorders for 100+ ft motor yacths are increasing. Get yourself a high paying job/become wealthy, almost guarantee your choices/chances of exposure to women will increase.
 

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No, I only have the E one. It is fast in a notebook, though the capacity is useless for my purposes.
 

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Does anyone know if these have the performance issues that I and others have experienced with the non-Intel SSDs? I'm thinking of using 4 of them in a high-performance fileserver (hundreds of users grabbing small files).

I also like the inclusion of the mini-usb right on the drive, neat idea.
 

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Does anyone know if these have the performance issues that I and others have experienced with the non-Intel SSDs? I'm thinking of using 4 of them in a high-performance fileserver (hundreds of users grabbing small files).

I also like the inclusion of the mini-usb right on the drive, neat idea.

Check here, here and here.
 

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Grr. Seems a mixed bag. A bunch of people with limited experience passing 2nd hand anecdotal BS to each other. I may have to buy one and find out for myself. Building a 1TB array of Intel 80GB SSDs would be too pricey, and I would need a lot of spindles to get the same performance.
 

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Grr. Seems a mixed bag. A bunch of people with limited experience passing 2nd hand anecdotal BS to each other. I may have to buy one and find out for myself. Building a 1TB array of Intel 80GB SSDs would be too pricey, and I would need a lot of spindles to get the same performance.

Well, let me know how it performs if you get one.

I would like to replace my Patriot SSD with something that doesn't stutter without breaking the bank.
 

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Grr. Seems a mixed bag. A bunch of people with limited experience passing 2nd hand anecdotal BS to each other. I may have to buy one and find out for myself. Building a 1TB array of Intel 80GB SSDs would be too pricey, and I would need a lot of spindles to get the same performance.
Make sure you buy it from a retailer with a liberal return policy. :p
 

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We all know what the intel can do. The question is whether the cheaper options can handle the random reads and writes without the stuttering. Iometer would be a good test. Sustained read
 

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I'm most interested in subjective feel of the drive under heavy multitasking in Windows 2003. I'm not interested in its performance as a data drive, but as a boot drive.
 

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From my reading, it seems that SSDs either "stutter" or they don't. And that the best way to induce stuttering is to open FF3 with a bunch of tabs as your homepage. I'll try to replicate that, as well as some IOMeter and HDTach scores. Perhaps some Photoshop stress tests as well.
 

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FF3? Why play the video games if that is slowing down everything else?
 

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FF3 is Mozilla Firefox 3. And it isn't the apps fault; it just causes many small reads, which demonstrates the potential issue with the drive.
 

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So, for the IOMeter question: "Does the 250GB OCZ Core V2 suffer from lag during small read/write operations?" Hell yes.

Granted, I did set up the test to exaggerate the issue, but wow...just wow.

Quick Summary:

Intel 32GB:17250 IOps
OCZ 250GB:13 IOps
RiData 32GB:21 IOps
MTron 16GB:334 IOps
5400RPM Laptop Drive:54 IOps

Yeah, that about sums it up. I'll be imaging all the drives and doing some "real world" tests, but I think that that is the answer right there.
 

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Thanks David. Obviously Intel knows something about how to implement flash memory controllers. ;)

The X25-E was definitely worth the wait for me. The last time there was such a breakthrough performance in a new storage device was when the orginal X15 arrived. However, the Intel SSD is much quieter.
 

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I'm loving the Intel SSDs in general, though my original MTRON SSDs were pretty quick in their own right; beating everything else handily. Considering I payed $1300 for 48GB worth, they better have been. I did a very favorable test of the OCZ (64k reads, some writes) and it still couldn't hold a candle to the Intel parts. I have the image being sent to the OCZ drive tonight, and I'll let you know what I think of it as a boot/system drive tomorrow. If anyone has a specific IOMeter pattern or other test, let me know; these drives will be going to their homes in the next few days.
 

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Thanks David. It's sad when a 5400 rpm mechanical device beats 2 of the 4 SSDs you tested. It's incredible just how much faster the Intel is to the #2 - multiple magnitudes, not percentages!
 

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BTW .. XP is the worst OS to use with an SSD. In order, the fastest OSes are W2K, Linux, Mac OS, Vista, then XP in that order. W98 is actually faster still, but that's getting pretty ancient and hard to support.

Apparently there's a legit reason for it:
XP does not align the data in the most efficient way for an SSD -- in 4KB blocks -- while Vista and Mac OS X do, according to Justin Sykes, director of marketing for SSD products at Micron.

(There are some issues with the article - the quality at Infoworld is nowhere near what it used to be - but the reasoning seems sound enough)
 

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BTW .. XP is the worst OS to use with an SSD. In order, the fastest OSes are W2K, Linux, Mac OS, Vista, then XP in that order. W98 is actually faster still, but that's getting pretty ancient and hard to support.

Apparently there's a legit reason for it:

(There are some issues with the article - the quality at Infoworld is nowhere near what it used to be - but the reasoning seems sound enough)

You missed 2003 Server.
 

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The 160GB X25-M was listed previously. A 64GB X25-E is listed, but it also is not yet available.
 
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