24TB in a single box is now possible.

[CougTek]

Combine that new 24-ports 3Ware controller and two dozen Hibachi 1TB drives and you end up with a single system with enough storage to stock both Merc's and Lunarmist's collections together.

I guess a kilowatt-rated power supply would be in order too.

I haven't found an enclosure capable of housing 24 3.5" drives though, but Lian Li PC-V2000APlus II (270U$) is damn close. With two Supermicro CSE-M35T-1 (121U$ each) and without an optical or floppy drive, the Lian Li full tower could host up to 23 3.5" hard drives. Just put the single remaining drive inside an external eSATA enclosure (40U$) and be done with it.

So :

• 24 HGST 1TB hard drives = 9600U$
  1 3Ware 24-ports PCI-E SATA controller = 1595U$
  1 Lian Li PC-V2000APlus II = 270U$
  2 Supermicro CSE-M35T-1 = 242U$
  1 PC Power & Cooling Turbo-Cool 1KW = 580$ (many models available at ~300-350$)
  1 external SATA enclosure

12,327U$ for a barebone with 24TB storage.

It's also possible to build a 16TB box for less than 8000U$ (plus the usual motherboard, CPU, RAM) for someone who is on a budget ;-).

It was totally futile, but I had a Santilli spasm. A 12TB RAID 10 would be more useful anyway.

 

[Mercutio]

Actually I moved a lot of my porn collection out to tapes a few months ago. I got tired of not having any free space and moving my porn off my file servers freed up about 3TB (which is 6TB, since that's stuff that isn't mirrored any more, either).

Now I have room for new porn!

 

[ddrueding]

I think you could save some money and get crazier with this motherboard: 12 SATA ports onboard and 4 16x PCIe slots.

 

[Mercutio]

For $360 I'd want something other than a Sil SATA controller and support for 8GB RAM. And the onboard sound was kinda weak. And you have to shell out for a high-end AMD chip on top of all that.

 

[sechs]

Using a SAS infrastructure, hasn't the limit on how much you could stuff in a single box really only been limited by how much you were willing to pay for that box?

 

[Mercutio]

Er... you mean SAN, don't you?
Cause SAS is just pretentious and expensive SATA.

 

[Adcadet]

Er... you mean SAN, don't you?
Cause SAS is just pretentious and expensive SATA.

Some of us we think about the statistical language/package even if we are in a computer forum.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAS_System

 

[sechs]

Cause SAS is just pretentious and expensive SATA.

Don't you mean that SATA is cheap, half-assed SAS? Because that's what it is....

 

[Pradeep]

Using a SAS infrastructure, hasn't the limit on how much you could stuff in a single box really only been limited by how much you were willing to pay for that box?

With a SAN, you can generally get as big a box as you are willing to pay for, if you include expansion cabinets etc.

With mid-level enterprise FC, the storage controllers seem to max out at around 20 enclosures, at which point you need more controllers.

 

[Bozo]

Don't you mean that SATA is cheap, half-assed SAS? Because that's what it is....

Wasn't there reports out that said there was no advantage to SCSI?
Google and someone else?

Bozo :joker:

 

[Sol]

Combine that new 24-ports 3Ware controller and two dozen Hibachi 1TB drives and you end up with a single system with enough storage to stock both Merc's and Lunarmist's collections together.

I guess a kilowatt-rated power supply would be in order too.

I guess 24 1GB drives would heat the box up quite a lot anyway but surely Hibachi drives could only compound the problem...

 

[LOST6200]

Hey, Ich habe some of those Hibachi derives yuo shodul kno0w.

So how will you alls backpuck that 24TB array?

 

[LOST6200]

Wasn't there reports out that said there was no advantage to SCSI?
Google and someone else?

Bozo :joker:

Bah, wher is my 150000 rpm SATa drive, then? What ius there not to be said about the dfast access times? Really it it so.

 

[Mercutio]

A 150,000rpm SATA drive would very likely be a hibachi drive!
You wouldn't back up 24TB. You'd mirror 12TB. That's still a lot of space.

The "no advantage to SCSI" thing referred to the reliability of the drive, Bozo.

 

[CougTek]

I wrote Hibachi to be better understand by Aussie readers. Same goes for Mitsubushi.

 

[LunarMist]

There are still no 10K SATA drives other than the 150GB WD, correct? Why don't they make at least a 300GB model by now?

 

[Mercutio]

I think that if WD made a 15k SATA drive, what they'd sell would just be a serial number so you could find out where it was in the RMA process.

 

[sechs]

There are still no 10K SATA drives other than the 150GB WD, correct? Why don't they make at least a 300GB model by now?

They haven't figured out how to stuff the next platter in.

 

[sechs]

I think that if WD made a 15k SATA drive, what they'd sell would just be a serial number so you could find out where it was in the RMA process.

They might bother to give people a brick to send back.

Can't screw people out of wasting more money....

 

[LunarMist]

Hey, is WD really that bad? I resurrected an old WD740GD unused for a couple of years and have been running it as the boot drive for a few months now. I have no other use for this broken drive so if it dies, there is no big loss.

 

[ddrueding]

They are bad. "That bad" is a relative term. Would I put non-redundant data on them? No. Do I run a RAID-0 array of them for my OS? Yes

 

[LunarMist]

Where are the 1 TB "Hibachis" available now?

 

[ddrueding]

Dell XPS desktops

 

[LunarMist]

So when will the drives be available to the general public?

 

[LOST6200]

So when will the drives be available to the general public?

NewLegss has tehm - for a steep price.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822145143

 

[LunarMist]

Whatever happened to the $400 estimated price?

 

[LunarMist]

Hey, they have a 32MB buffer. Will Atto no longer be useful then?

 

[ddrueding]

I thought it was going to be a $300 MSRP, but I would happily pay $400. Maybe even $450. But now that I can support a large (24+) number of drives; it's not as important to get the largest possible.

 

[CougTek]

With 500GB hard drive now going for 130U$, it's a tough pill to swallow. The price will drop quickly. Wait a month.

 

[LunarMist]

I thought it was going to be a $300 MSRP, but I would happily pay $400. Maybe even $450. But now that I can support a large (24+) number of drives; it's not as important to get the largest possible.

Well, everyone is not building new servers. I was hoping to replace some 500GB drives with 1TB drives to increase capacity. Eight drives is already enough in my home PC.

 

[ddrueding]

Well, everyone is not building new servers.

This is my workstation I felt that even GbE access to my data was too slow, and having another machine just to host my files too complicated. I have a server; but it only gets turned on to take another backup. 1 copy of all my data is local

 

[ddrueding]

With 1TB drives at $0.60/GB; they are truly off the charts. 750GB and 500GB drives are both currently $0.32/GB, but 400GB is still the leader at $0.23/GB.

 

[LOST6200]

Sso the price will only be high tenoprality???

 

[Mercutio]

Prices will slowly fall until 1.2 or 1.5TB drives are about to be released. That's what happened with 750GB units.

Personally, I buy drives that cost $100 to $150. That is ALWAYS the right range for GB per dollar, and I don't have to worry about having one drive so big I can't easily back it up.

You should be happy at what this is doing to the price of 500GB drives, moreso than the newest, highest capacity. I imagine you can consolidate some of your storage on large and inexpensive disks now.

 

[ddrueding]

I think it's pretty easy to justify 750GB drives over 500GB ones once the cost of power and SATA ports comes into play.

 

[Stereodude]

NewLegss has tehm - for a steep price.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822145143

So much for the $399 MSRP.

Edit: If you check Froogle for it there are a lot of places who don't have it in stock selling it for less than $400.

 

[sechs]

I think it's pretty easy to justify 750GB drives over 500GB ones once the cost of power and SATA ports comes into play.

This coming from the guy with two 74GB Raptors.

I have four open SATA ports, three open SATA power connectors, two open SAS connectors, and number of open molex power connectors. Even if I had all of my internal drives (optical and all) on ATA, I'd still have free ports. It's not an issue.

 

[P5-133XL]

Frys has a sale on Seagate 750GB for $189.99 shipped

Seagate 750GB Ultra DMA/100 16MB Buffer ST3750640A-RK - Retail Hard Drive Kit.

Very good price for 750GB but it is important to note: Not SATA

 

[ddrueding]

They had the SATA version for sale @ $239 a few weeks ago, but they were completely sold out. I'm leaving for Frys right now (about 10 minutes away), and if they are that cheap I think I'll get a few more.

 

[ddrueding]

Nope. $249. Screw 'em. I got a Logitech G15 instead :shrug: