Is it worth doing? an 80mm ->92mm convertor plus a low speed 92mm case fan looks like it can increase cfm while decreasing noise. Does it work or does the converter choke-off the air flow? It certainly is much cheaper than an the traditional method of buying a high performance fan plus heat skink combination.
80mm ->92mm convertor + fan == better temps?
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Groltz
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Every worthy site that I've ever seen review those adapters arrived at the conclusion that they were a waste of money and didn't help temperatures significantly.
It has been a few years since I've read one of those reviews but would doubt anything has changed.
We had a discussion at SR over them in the pre-disaster days.
The best bet remains a high efficiency heatsink that accomodates a large low-noise fan.
It has been a few years since I've read one of those reviews but would doubt anything has changed.
We had a discussion at SR over them in the pre-disaster days.
The best bet remains a high efficiency heatsink that accomodates a large low-noise fan.
ddrueding
Fixture
I highly recomend the Scythe SCNJ-1000 with no fan. The problem with the size adapters it the backpressure reduces the airflow.
Adcadet
Storage Freak
Damn. A P180 + Scyth Ninja. Beautiful. I think I know what I want my next CPU to be surrounded by.
It's a shame that the converters's don't work well. They really would be a convienant and cost effective solution.
I'm finding that while running F@H the stock cooling for X2 4600+ are running too hot (61-64 celcius) for my comfort level and the fans are too whiney at their maximum 5100rpms. I don't think I need a crazy level of cooling, but I'd really like to get it down to the middle 50's and drop the noise a bit too.
The Scythe heat sinks look enormous and obviously, they would need a fan. I really don't expect or demand a totally fanless design and the Scythe specifications explicitly say that the fanless designs are for low to medium usage applications. My association with enormous heat-sinks are that they very annoying to install: correct?
I'm finding that while running F@H the stock cooling for X2 4600+ are running too hot (61-64 celcius) for my comfort level and the fans are too whiney at their maximum 5100rpms. I don't think I need a crazy level of cooling, but I'd really like to get it down to the middle 50's and drop the noise a bit too.
The Scythe heat sinks look enormous and obviously, they would need a fan. I really don't expect or demand a totally fanless design and the Scythe specifications explicitly say that the fanless designs are for low to medium usage applications. My association with enormous heat-sinks are that they very annoying to install: correct?
ddrueding
Fixture
This heatsink has really amazing thermal capabilities. I'm overclocking/overvolting up the wazoo while loading at 100% for hours on end and I don't have a fan mounted on the heatsink. Of course, I am using a P180 chassis with a pair of 120mm fans @ 500rpm in close proximity. P180 + SCNJ-1000 is the only way to go for effective quiet cooling; it's such amazing overkill.
The heatsink is mildly annoying to install, in that it requires motherboard removal and a swap of the stock frame for one provided, but you only do that once per machine, and it's quiet and cool all the time
The heatsink is mildly annoying to install, in that it requires motherboard removal and a swap of the stock frame for one provided, but you only do that once per machine, and it's quiet and cool all the time
Groltz
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I am using a Thermalright SI-120 on my overclocked 4800+ X2. Very simple to install, it didn't require the motherboard to be removed from the case. All that's needed is to attach the supplied mount to the motherboard's existing backplate with screws, the heatsink clips onto the mount.
In tests, the SI-120 runs neck-and-neck with the Scythe Ninja in cooling ability. I use a 120 x 38mm Delta fan through a rheostat, it is quiet at the setting I use and I can raise the fan RPM for additional cooling if the room temperature gets too warm.
The SI-120 received design improvements and was re-released as the SI-128, which is the current model.
In tests, the SI-120 runs neck-and-neck with the Scythe Ninja in cooling ability. I use a 120 x 38mm Delta fan through a rheostat, it is quiet at the setting I use and I can raise the fan RPM for additional cooling if the room temperature gets too warm.
The SI-120 received design improvements and was re-released as the SI-128, which is the current model.
mubs
Storage? I am Storage!
After checking out the Scythe Ninja and the ThermalRight SI-120, I bought the SI-120. I've burned the m/c in, but haven't had the chance to use the m/c extensively. Will be reasembling the CKD (after moving) soon.
Adcadet
Storage Freak
I must not be a l337 haXor anymore as I'm lost with the acronyms.
m/c? muther chucker?
CKD? Chronic kidney disease? Chuckwagon killing device?
Groltz
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sechs
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An adapter to 90mm would be helpful, but, as mentioned, not really worth your effort. If you want cooler and quieter, you want to go with a bigger heatsink, particularly, if you have the headroom, one with a 120mm fan.
I have a Scythe Ninja on one processor in my system, and a SI-120 on the other. The processor with the SI-120 runs cooler, but mainly that because, to my surprise, I was able to run the Ninja without a fan.
I have a Scythe Ninja on one processor in my system, and a SI-120 on the other. The processor with the SI-120 runs cooler, but mainly that because, to my surprise, I was able to run the Ninja without a fan.
Also, for comparison purposes
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/coolers/display/cnps8000-scythe-mine.html
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/coolers/display/cnps8000-scythe-mine.html
mubs
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Sheesh, guys. I can forgive Adcadet, but you should know better, Groltz.
m/c = machine. In this context, PC.
CKD = Complete Knocked Down. A fully assembled, working machine (or automobile) is dis-assembled into it's component parts and shipped. It is then re-assembled at the destination for sale / use. May also refer to all of the parts of such a machine (which has never been assembled) being shipped together for assmbly at the destination. See here for Wikipedia's take, which I disagree somewhat with.
I just moved, and did a CKD of all my PCs. I haven't had the time to retrieve the various boxes (components got scattered into different moving boxes, partly by design) and re-assemble my m/cs. :twistd:
m/c = machine. In this context, PC.
CKD = Complete Knocked Down. A fully assembled, working machine (or automobile) is dis-assembled into it's component parts and shipped. It is then re-assembled at the destination for sale / use. May also refer to all of the parts of such a machine (which has never been assembled) being shipped together for assmbly at the destination. See here for Wikipedia's take, which I disagree somewhat with.
I just moved, and did a CKD of all my PCs. I haven't had the time to retrieve the various boxes (components got scattered into different moving boxes, partly by design) and re-assemble my m/cs. :twistd:
mubs
Storage? I am Storage!
I think I'm too old for the crowd here!
Bozo
Storage? I am Storage!
Mercutio
Fatwah on Western Digital
Bozo, Tannin, mubs, time and Buck, paugie and Groltz are all older-ish members.
Clocker's somewhere between, as are Cougtek and Fushigi.
Pradeep, myself and Handruin are all around the same age, a bit younger.
ddrueding is the young 'un.
I'd say the average age of members is probably closer to 40 than 30.
If that makes anyone feel better.
Clocker's somewhere between, as are Cougtek and Fushigi.
Pradeep, myself and Handruin are all around the same age, a bit younger.
ddrueding is the young 'un.
I'd say the average age of members is probably closer to 40 than 30.
If that makes anyone feel better.
Groltz
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I've never seen either of those. :dunno:
They're not used in the aviation maintenance field.
-Stephen (Age 37)
Will Rickards
Storage Is My Life
I knew m/c but not ckd and I'm 30.
Mainly for Adcadt:
Here's how my setup looked before I got rid of my two 7900GTs and replaced them with a single XT1900XTX:
http://www.kevandshan.com/pics/ninja.jpg
I only use the rear fan. The upper fan is disabled and the 80mm fan is held on to the ninja with some threaded rod and wing-nuts. It only spins at 600-700 RPM so I can't hear it at all. Sometimes the RPM monitoring on the m/b won't even see it.
So, the 80mm fan blows air through the ninja and the rear fan tries to suck it out. The tiny fan on the n/b heatpipe heatsink only spins at about 2000 rpm (temp controlled like the others) so I can't hear it, either.
You can see that the placement of the two 120mm fans is perfect for the ninja.
I wish there was a nice cooling solution for the 1900XTX. It's really the only thing I can hear (gets noisy while gaming and during boot up).
C
Here's how my setup looked before I got rid of my two 7900GTs and replaced them with a single XT1900XTX:
http://www.kevandshan.com/pics/ninja.jpg
I only use the rear fan. The upper fan is disabled and the 80mm fan is held on to the ninja with some threaded rod and wing-nuts. It only spins at 600-700 RPM so I can't hear it at all. Sometimes the RPM monitoring on the m/b won't even see it.
So, the 80mm fan blows air through the ninja and the rear fan tries to suck it out. The tiny fan on the n/b heatpipe heatsink only spins at about 2000 rpm (temp controlled like the others) so I can't hear it, either.
You can see that the placement of the two 120mm fans is perfect for the ninja.
I wish there was a nice cooling solution for the 1900XTX. It's really the only thing I can hear (gets noisy while gaming and during boot up).
C
Adcadet
Storage Freak
Thanks, Clocker. I saw that Outpost has the P180s on sale for $99 shipped, and I just placed my order. They're back ordered, but I won't have time to even think about building a system for another 9 weeks.
ddrueding
Fixture
I knew m/c just form context, CKD I had no idea
(and I feel old)
(and I feel old)
ddrueding
Fixture
Where is that edit button?
mubs
Storage? I am Storage!
DD is the smartypants for deducing the meaning from the context (I'm sure the others did too, but he claimed it first).
I am *really* surprised Clocker and Groltz didn't know about CKD. It's very common in the auto industry, and I'd think many complex aviation assemblies are shipped CKD and put together at the destination. Guess I guessed wrong.
I am *really* surprised Clocker and Groltz didn't know about CKD. It's very common in the auto industry, and I'd think many complex aviation assemblies are shipped CKD and put together at the destination. Guess I guessed wrong.
Groltz
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For airline flight-line maintenance, time is of the essence. Parts come ready-to-install with no assembly required, typically. Sometimes hydraulic fittings, brackets, and such must be transferred from the old part to the new one but that is usually about it.
mubs
Storage? I am Storage!
Sure makes sense. Turanaround time is God in the business, right?
ddrueding
Fixture
Althought some grammar police actions is in order:
Either it is:
Complete Knock Down
-or-
Completely Knocked Down
Either it is:
Complete Knock Down
-or-
Completely Knocked Down
Bozo
Storage? I am Storage!
Or "computerized krap dipenser":rotfl:
Bozo:joker:
Bozo:joker:
I went out and bought an Antec p180 case to replace an old poorly designed ATX case that just couldn't keep the temps down. Fiddling with case fans and regreasing just wasn't soling the problem. I have to say, I like the new case except for the fact of no speaker. It also fixed the temp and noise problems. The old case couldn't keep the temp below 70 (where it would alram and I'd shut everything down) with both cores folding and it was 62 with one core folding and the CPU fan maxed out at 5113RPM's. Just swapping out the case to the P180 decreased the temp to a steady 56 with both cores folding and with the cpu fan now running at 2400RPM's. I also disabled one of the case fans as unnecessary and the other two 120mm case fans are running at low speed: each fan has a 3-way switch.
I have to say, I'm impressed with the cooling and noise capability of the p180 case. It did far more than I expected. As far as consumer level (non server) cases go, it is rather expensive ($114. US shipped) without a PS. But I guess you get what you pay for. For the money, they really need to add a speaker though: Yeah, I understand, it makes noise but it is noise that you really want to hear, if you need it and nothing requires that it be plugged in, if you don't want it.
I have to say, I'm impressed with the cooling and noise capability of the p180 case. It did far more than I expected. As far as consumer level (non server) cases go, it is rather expensive ($114. US shipped) without a PS. But I guess you get what you pay for. For the money, they really need to add a speaker though: Yeah, I understand, it makes noise but it is noise that you really want to hear, if you need it and nothing requires that it be plugged in, if you don't want it.
This may be a long-shot, but try e-mailing antec about the speaker. When I bought my P180 it shipped with the wrong drive rails for the floppy drive so I e-mailed tech support for new rails and with no questions asked they shipped me out new rails. If you ask them for a speaker they may send it to you. Worst thing they could say is no...
I recieved an answer from Antec:
Since, the trouble ticket had been changed to awaiting customer comment -- I choose to
At which I immediately got a response (Within 5 minutes):
At this point I simply responded:
Antec Customer Support - John Bowen said:
Since, the trouble ticket had been changed to awaiting customer comment -- I choose to
Mark Turner said:
At which I immediately got a response (Within 5 minutes):
Antec Customer Support -- John Brown said:
At this point I simply responded:
Mark Turner said:
ddrueding
Fixture
1) I've been removing speakers from cases for years. I can't remember the last time someone actually wanted it.
2) I have a number of speakers mounted on very short wires (1cm?) to the header. They are designed to plug diectly in the mobo and support themselves. I believe they shipped with some Intel mobos I purchased a while ago.
If you are interested, I can ship you one or post a pic if I remember when I'm home.
2) I have a number of speakers mounted on very short wires (1cm?) to the header. They are designed to plug diectly in the mobo and support themselves. I believe they shipped with some Intel mobos I purchased a while ago.
If you are interested, I can ship you one or post a pic if I remember when I'm home.
Thanks for the offer, but no need (I can deal). While, the original purpose of the beep speaker is really only needed during the MB install process, I find that it is appropiate also for long-term temp/voltage/fan monitoring. The alternative solution is to use out-of band communication like E-Mail or even playing wave-files instead of the beep speaker.
Really, it is a question that Antec really should be supplying beep speakers on all their cases. It almost feels principal like. Some may feel comfortable removing the speaker from their installs, but that is not conserative me. From one who still installs floppy drives on everything ...
Really, it is a question that Antec really should be supplying beep speakers on all their cases. It almost feels principal like. Some may feel comfortable removing the speaker from their installs, but that is not conserative me. From one who still installs floppy drives on everything ...