Bozo
Storage? I am Storage!
I would speculate that the 975X is an Intel chipset. Searching Intels and ASUS sites might give you some info on what CPU is supported.
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July 22nd Intel price drops
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Bozo
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Here is a start:
http://www.intel.com/products/chipsets/975x/index.htm
No mention of Quad Core.
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CougTek
Hairy Aussie
P5W-DH
Wavemaker said:
Well, it seems 1333 MHz FSB will be around for at least a year, until Nehalem shows up.
The Nehalem processor family will be the first Intel processors to have an on-die memory controller, but, early word now has it that a (budget?) model line of Nehalem processors will also be available *without* an on-die memory controller.
ddrueding said:
The introduction of PCIe V2 has been moved forward significantly. The graphics card duopoly have been the ones screaming the loudest for PCIe V2.
Other than the minor tweaks, the big changes with PCIe V2 will be double-the-bandwidth of each lane and better support for virtual I/O for virtual server / workstation operations. PCIe V2 is fully backward-compatible with all revisions of PCIe.
Pradeep
Storage? I am Storage!
What's impressive is the price of the new quad core Xeons. Even the most expensive model at 3.13 GHz is less than the price of the 5160 dual core @ 3 GHz. I thought 1333 FSB would matter for the quads but it looks like it only delivers a few percentage points of performance.
ddrueding
Fixture
Where are you seeing those prices Pradeep?
Pradeep
Storage? I am Storage!
They aren't out yet:
http://www.dailytech.com/Intel+Leaks+45nm+Xeon+Clock+Frequencies/article8065.htm
From what I recall the E5450 was going to be $891 or somesuch.
http://www.dailytech.com/Intel+Leaks+45nm+Xeon+Clock+Frequencies/article8065.htm
From what I recall the E5450 was going to be $891 or somesuch.
Fushigi
Storage Is My Life
CougTek
Hairy Aussie
My cost for the Q6600 dropped 45$CDN today. It should drop by another 20-40$ Monday.
Bozo
Storage? I am Storage!
Today is the July 22. Where are the announcements?
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ddrueding
Fixture
Newegg is out of stock and still at $299.
timwhit
Hairy Aussie
I am interested in this quad core CPU, what kind of performance enhancement will it have over a dual core of similar speed? I think I will wait until it is under $250 though.
ddrueding
Fixture
Depends on what (or how many things) you are doing. Many tasks don't use multiple cores, so you would only be using 1/4 or your CPU. If you have a lot of things going at once, it will really pay off.
Intel Price Cuts: Now you see it, Now you don't.
The quick answer: The demand far exceeded the supply, so the price didn't drop as much as expected.
timwhit
Hairy Aussie
That's what I figured. I would probably be fine with a Core 2 Duo, I guess I will just check out the prices when I am ready to buy.
So, when will the best time to buy an Intel CPU? If the price drops didn't affect the market that much maybe it is better to wait?
Will Rickards
Storage Is My Life
Yes I checked the prices monday and found them not what I expected or out of stock. I'll check back on friday after the initial surge.
Bozo
Storage? I am Storage!
Price cuts? Price cuts? What price cuts?
Apparently I was thinking the Core 2 Duo for the masses was going to have it's price reduced. Now I don't feel so bad about buying mine last month.
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Apparently I was thinking the Core 2 Duo for the masses was going to have it's price reduced. Now I don't feel so bad about buying mine last month.
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ddrueding
Fixture
CougTek
Hairy Aussie
Yesterday, I could have sold it for 335$CAN. Today, the best price I'm willing to do for the Q6600 is 365$CAN + shipping. My main CPU supplier told me that everyone sold out yesterday and today the price went up like crazy. It costs me 37$ more to buy one today than it did yesterday, so at 365$, I'm making less money (basicly none) than I could have made yesterday.
I sold one today in a computer system I quoted and I don't know where/when/how I'll get it. Intel should have stocked more to meet the demand. It's not like if it was that hard to foresee.
I sold one today in a computer system I quoted and I don't know where/when/how I'll get it. Intel should have stocked more to meet the demand. It's not like if it was that hard to foresee.
ddrueding
Fixture
Well, thanks for the inside scoop, Coug. Looks like Intel got what they wanted with their press leak. If you don't mind, put in a word here when the price resumes it's downward slide.
Stereodude
Not really a
It's all about supply and demand... Apparent there was a lot more demand @ $266 than supply.
CougTek
Hairy Aussie
The problem is : It's never been selling at 266$. 278$ is the lowest I've witnessed. 290$CAN here.
ddrueding
Fixture
Yep. It seems a lot of people told their friends to buy on July 22nd, and either didn't notice that they price wasn't where they expected, or couldn't wait any longer even though they would pay more.
ddrueding
Fixture
Out of curiosity, did the other Intel chips go down as much as expected, or did they also do a bounce?
Will Rickards
Storage Is My Life
I was looking at the core 2 duo *50 processors, and mwave had the lower prices but newegg had higher prices.
Stereodude
Not really a
Well, $266 was the disty price per chip in 1000 chip lots, so it was never going to get to $266 on this price drop.
CougTek
Hairy Aussie
I know at least the E6700 (dual core) bounced too. 25$CAN more than Monday. Today the Core 2 Quad Q6600 dropped a little. I can sell it at 349.99$CAN.
Technically true, but historicly inaccurate. Historicly, the stand-alone retail CPU's sell at the 1000 chip lot distributer prices at the standard internet retailers (like newegg) and have for an aweful lot of years. Part of the reason, that particular price gets quoted in the press so much is that people expect to be able to buy them at that price.
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By the way, I got a good deal from my local frys on a Quad 6600 with an ECS motherboard ($279 July 4th sale). So I built it, and have officially replaced my 3 P4's with that one machine. Total cost was around $700 [($279 + $119 (P180) + $79 (2GB OCZ PC2-6400) + $199 (750W PC Power and cooling quad PS)]
By the way, I got a good deal from my local frys on a Quad 6600 with an ECS motherboard ($279 July 4th sale). So I built it, and have officially replaced my 3 P4's with that one machine. Total cost was around $700 [($279 + $119 (P180) + $79 (2GB OCZ PC2-6400) + $199 (750W PC Power and cooling quad PS)]
By the way, I got a good deal from my local Frys on a Quad 6600 with an ECS motherboard ($279 July 4th sale). So I built it, and have officially replaced my 3 P4's with that one machine. Total cost was around $700 [($279 + $119 (P180) + $79 (2GB OCZ PC2-6400) + $199 (750W PC Power and cooling quad PS)]
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The three P4's were getting around 700PPD for a net increase of 1500PPD. I figure that the entire transaction should be paid in full in roughly three years, just by the decrease in electricity cost alone.
The reason, my PPD didn't immediately go up immediately is that it got hot here so I shut down one pod of four machines just to keep my place even close to comfortable. When it gets 80+ outside, it gets really hot inside... This week, it cooled down, so I restarted the pod and my PPD score has been rising.
My next thought is should I replace four X2 4600's (turning them on only when specificly needed) with one more 24x7 Quad 6600. The PPD would be roughtly equal and payback time period will only be two years (an extra machine taken out of service). The two alternatives are simply to wait for the .45 chips to come out or totally scavange one 4600 machine reusing the case and PS thus saving $300 more dollars (yes, I know I can get a cheaper case and PS but I probably can't get a similar deal on the CPU+MB) and thereby dropping the payback time to less than a year. All good stuff
I'm also considering, in the back of my mind, replacing the junk ECS MB with a good motherboad and a Thermalright Ultra-120 extreme heat-sink just to see how much I can OC. The numbers at www.fahinfo.net say I can get 3200PPD by simply OC'ing 2.4GHz to 3.2GHz and that should be doable using the Intel retail heatsink though it probably sound like a jet engine. Using the ThermalRight, Anand-tech is getting 3.9+GHz ...
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The three P4's were getting around 700PPD for a net increase of 1500PPD. I figure that the entire transaction should be paid in full in roughly three years, just by the decrease in electricity cost alone.
The reason, my PPD didn't immediately go up immediately is that it got hot here so I shut down one pod of four machines just to keep my place even close to comfortable. When it gets 80+ outside, it gets really hot inside... This week, it cooled down, so I restarted the pod and my PPD score has been rising.
My next thought is should I replace four X2 4600's (turning them on only when specificly needed) with one more 24x7 Quad 6600. The PPD would be roughtly equal and payback time period will only be two years (an extra machine taken out of service). The two alternatives are simply to wait for the .45 chips to come out or totally scavange one 4600 machine reusing the case and PS thus saving $300 more dollars (yes, I know I can get a cheaper case and PS but I probably can't get a similar deal on the CPU+MB) and thereby dropping the payback time to less than a year. All good stuff
I'm also considering, in the back of my mind, replacing the junk ECS MB with a good motherboad and a Thermalright Ultra-120 extreme heat-sink just to see how much I can OC. The numbers at www.fahinfo.net say I can get 3200PPD by simply OC'ing 2.4GHz to 3.2GHz and that should be doable using the Intel retail heatsink though it probably sound like a jet engine. Using the ThermalRight, Anand-tech is getting 3.9+GHz ...
By the way, the forums seem to be having problems with me posting or editing the above message so part of the second paragraph is missing. I was trying to ID the specific part that it wouldn't take by editing a message and adding pieces till it would fail ....
The specific symptom is for me to post and then it would take forever to actually post it while telling me to wait (till I would give up).
Sorry
The specific symptom is for me to post and then it would take forever to actually post it while telling me to wait (till I would give up).
Sorry
Bozo
Storage? I am Storage!
Newegg has been running motherboard/C2D specials lately.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...+1389627502+1050722265+1050922263&name=Conroe
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...+1389627502+1050722265+1050922263&name=Conroe
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Fushigi
Storage Is My Life
Microcenter still shows the Q6600 for $299. If the price doesn't change tomorrow I'll pick one up & use it to replace my slow Folders like Mark did.
Will Rickards
Storage Is My Life
Now I'm unsure which to get the E6750 ($209) or the Q6600 ($289).
What do you think?
If just for folding I should pick the Q6600 correct?
Questions on my mind:
Which runs hotter? I'm going to use the stock cooler unless it doesn't fit in my microatx case NSK2400.
Will power requirements be an issue with the 380W power supply in the NSK2400?
What do you think?
If just for folding I should pick the Q6600 correct?
Questions on my mind:
Which runs hotter? I'm going to use the stock cooler unless it doesn't fit in my microatx case NSK2400.
Will power requirements be an issue with the 380W power supply in the NSK2400?
CougTek
Hairy Aussie
Yes
105W for the Q6600, 65W for the E6750. Answer : Q6600.
It fits.
No. Unless you do something stupid and try to put a 225W HD2900XT into the system. 380W is well enough for a 105W CPU, reasonable (not insane) graphic card, any µATX motherboard and RAM and four or less drives.
Will Rickards
Storage Is My Life
"One" more question before I pick the Q6600.
Let's assume I pick the Q6600 and slap it in a motherboard with support for the 1333 Mhz FSB. Next year when the intel die shrunk native quad core chips are out, will they work in my G33 based motherboard? Or will there be a different socket or chipset? Or will I need DDR3 for that?
Let's assume I pick the Q6600 and slap it in a motherboard with support for the 1333 Mhz FSB. Next year when the intel die shrunk native quad core chips are out, will they work in my G33 based motherboard? Or will there be a different socket or chipset? Or will I need DDR3 for that?
Will Rickards
Storage Is My Life
I think I confirmed my question about the upcoming 45nm penryn processors is a yes. So I bought the items.
Antec NSK2400
Gigabyte GA-G33M-DS2R
Intel Q6600 (retail so I can use stock cooler)
4GB DDR2 memory
Optiarc AWG170S-B2
Antec NSK2400
Gigabyte GA-G33M-DS2R
Intel Q6600 (retail so I can use stock cooler)
4GB DDR2 memory
Optiarc AWG170S-B2