More Vista nonsense
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e_dawg
Storage Freak
Vista Home Premium, as supplied by Dell on a horrible install CD.
e_dawg
Storage Freak
Yes, I've heard how nice W2k3 server is, but (1) as mubs said, it's horribly expensive and I don't have a copy, and (2) I don't think it runs Photoshop CS3 (and other select programs) properly either.
timwhit
Hairy Aussie
CS3 installs fine as long as you know how to install it. I am running the entire Creative Suite 3 perfectly on 2003 Server. I have run into 0 problems after I got it to install. You just need Microsoft Application Verifier, which you can use to spoof Windows XP during the installation. After it is installed it should work fine.
ddrueding
Fixture
...and I'm running CS3 fine on Vista Ultimate 32-bit.
timwhit
Hairy Aussie
Damnit David, no one other than you wants to run Vista. Plus, CS3 officially supports Vista.
ddrueding
Fixture
timwhit
Hairy Aussie
I realized that. I was just making a point that you are the only one that likes Vista in the entire world.
ddrueding
Fixture
I run it because I need to support it. I know XP better than the back of my hand, I can walk people through whatever needs to be done from memory. I've been able to do this for a long time because I started using XP as my full-time workstation when it was RC1. Now I need to know Vista, so I run it at home. Because I don't like to wait, I built a system that doesn't make me wait for anything. Yes Vista is slower than XP and 2003, but not by as much as everyone is saying.
It seems that everyone on the internet needs to have an incredibly strong opinion about everything. Black and White. This is good, this is bad, and that is evil. It simply isn't true. 2003 is faster, Vista has more features, XP is more compatible; they are all fine for 95% of users. 90% of users wouldn't even notice!
I'm not saying Vista is better in all cases for everyone, or even better at anything for anyone, I'm just saying that you won't go to hell if you are using it. This sensationalist BS is very tiring.
It seems that everyone on the internet needs to have an incredibly strong opinion about everything. Black and White. This is good, this is bad, and that is evil. It simply isn't true. 2003 is faster, Vista has more features, XP is more compatible; they are all fine for 95% of users. 90% of users wouldn't even notice!
I'm not saying Vista is better in all cases for everyone, or even better at anything for anyone, I'm just saying that you won't go to hell if you are using it. This sensationalist BS is very tiring.
Onomatopoeic
Learning Storage Performance
DD, you must either be joking or you're on Bill-n-Ballmer's payroll!!! Vista is conveniently incompatible, buggy as hell, unbelievably slow, and certainly quite evil.
Upgrading to Vista forced me replace my hard drive with an even larger and harder hard drive, replace all my system RAM with boutique floral designer DDR3 RAM, and I had to install each and every PCI card into their PCI slots backwards just to make everything work! Bugs? Yes bugs everywhere! It's very very very... VERY hard to type in critical login information when the login screen has hot and cold running 3-D roaches running in all directions across the screen and username / password dialogue box! And, talk about classic slow AND evil, it took nearly 4 days to print a single page spreadsheet from Excel 2007 -- which ended up being a %@$#& "Dick Cheney For President" flyer, followed by hundreds upon hundreds of Walmart adverts and Vista OneCare offers!!!
Enough is enough!!! I'm not taking anymore chances with Vista! A Roman Catholic priest will be here this afternoon to perform an exorcism simultaneously on me and my computer as I attempt to install XP over the Vista installation. Hopefully my head won't turn 360 degrees and shoot a stream of vomit across the office as I perform the "downgrade to XP."
Sheesh! IT is getting more complicated -- and dangerous. I think I'll get plastered tonight.
Santilli
Hairy Aussie
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Splash:
You hitting the sauce again;-)??
Does Vista have a server version, and, is it as bad as everyone is saying Vista is?
Also, is the hardware you had problems with install on the same as my Dual Xeons with Supermicro motherboard, X5DA8?
So dual xeons 2.8 ghz are too slow for Vista? Does anyone know if Gates bought Intel, and AMD, so he can profit from making software you have to buy new hardware for?
Dr. Greg
You hitting the sauce again;-)??
Does Vista have a server version, and, is it as bad as everyone is saying Vista is?
Also, is the hardware you had problems with install on the same as my Dual Xeons with Supermicro motherboard, X5DA8?
So dual xeons 2.8 ghz are too slow for Vista? Does anyone know if Gates bought Intel, and AMD, so he can profit from making software you have to buy new hardware for?
Dr. Greg
Bozo
Storage? I am Storage!
Server 2008 is the server version of Vista. (still in beta)
Bozo :joker:
Bozo :joker:
Tannin
Storage? I am Storage!
I agree. In fact, it would be logically impossible .... you can't go to a place when you are already there.
Tea
Storage? I am Storage!
Errrr .... are you saying, onanistichoweveryouspellit, you are not plastered already?
Fushigi
Storage Is My Life
I agree with DD. Vista is here. I need to know it for when my employer and our clients start talking about using it. My employer has no immediate plans for it but that only means it's not being deployed today. Tomorrow is another day. And we have no control over what our clients implement but we do need to make sure our apps work on their workstations. In general its more an issue of browser compatibility but there are regular apps as well.
I'm sure some of you will find yourselves in the same boat before too long.
Does it need decent hardware? Yep. So what. Any modern CPU + 1GB RAM + a 7200RPM drive will run it fine. You need more to do all of the eye candy and get optimal performance, like a good video card and possibly a dual-core or higher-end CPU and 2GB RAM. Again so what. Hardware is cheap. Anything that surpasses a minimal vomit box will run Vista just fine.
The tragedy of Vista is selling it as an upgrade. The unsuspecting will think they're Pentium III/600MHz will run it and will be sorely disappointed. More realistically, someone with a not-that-old 1.13GHz laptop and 512MB RAM will also be disappointed.
Vista was designed for modern hardware. Microsoft's failing is in choosing to not communicate that to the user community and instead going after the 'quick bucks' from the people who will buy the upgrade because it's on the shelf.
I'm sure some of you will find yourselves in the same boat before too long.
Does it need decent hardware? Yep. So what. Any modern CPU + 1GB RAM + a 7200RPM drive will run it fine. You need more to do all of the eye candy and get optimal performance, like a good video card and possibly a dual-core or higher-end CPU and 2GB RAM. Again so what. Hardware is cheap. Anything that surpasses a minimal vomit box will run Vista just fine.
The tragedy of Vista is selling it as an upgrade. The unsuspecting will think they're Pentium III/600MHz will run it and will be sorely disappointed.
More realistically, someone with a not-that-old 1.13GHz laptop and 512MB RAM will also be disappointed.Vista was designed for modern hardware. Microsoft's failing is in choosing to not communicate that to the user community and instead going after the 'quick bucks' from the people who will buy the upgrade because it's on the shelf.
CougTek
Hairy Aussie
The hardware is relatively benign. if I could tell my customers that they only need to buy a new box and vista will run fine, I would be laughing. The main problem with Vista is software incompatibilities. Many many many programs either work a lot slower on it (games are up to 40% slower) or show erratic behaviors (from "doesn't start" to "doesn't work quite as it should"). And everything takes a lot (and I mean I LOT) more RAM than on XP (for the same program). That's what killing me with Vista. The network setup/management is another thing I'm not too fond of about Vista. XP's way was fine.
Does Photoshop CS3 works on it? Do the printer softwares that come with most printers work fine with it? Nero Burining ROM? How about Webshot, Incredimail, P2P programs and all the junk users will immediately install on it the moment they get their hands on their new computers. We have phone calls for shit like that. It was Microsoft's homeworks to test this, not mine. If their new OS doesn't play nice with the most common applications, I'll call it junk because that's what it will be to the eyes of most users.
It's a lemon. There's no other way to describe it.
Does Photoshop CS3 works on it? Do the printer softwares that come with most printers work fine with it? Nero Burining ROM? How about Webshot, Incredimail, P2P programs and all the junk users will immediately install on it the moment they get their hands on their new computers. We have phone calls for shit like that. It was Microsoft's homeworks to test this, not mine. If their new OS doesn't play nice with the most common applications, I'll call it junk because that's what it will be to the eyes of most users.
It's a lemon. There's no other way to describe it.
e_dawg
Storage Freak
You'd better make sure he can disable XP's CHKDSK, as it attempts to "check your disks for consistency". Yeah, it checks your disk for consistency alright. The conformist bastard rips up your disk because Vista did things differently, that stupid control freak.
Bozo
Storage? I am Storage!
Most printers over a year old do not work on Vista. That is the printer manufacturers job, to write the drivers. Most are not.
Vista has an 'improved' (bastadized) NTFS file system. XP doesn't like it.
Also, System Restore is different on each file system. One tries to overwrite the other and makes a mess. (if you are dual booting.)
Bozo :joker:
Vista has an 'improved' (bastadized) NTFS file system. XP doesn't like it.
Also, System Restore is different on each file system. One tries to overwrite the other and makes a mess. (if you are dual booting.)
Bozo :joker:
Explorer
Learning Storage Performance
All I can say is that Onomatopoeic (a.k.a -- "The Big O"
) is spot-on! Vista is indeed incredibly evil. I recently made the grave mistake of buying the Vista Penultimate upgrade (cost was $666 -- that should tell you something right there!) and installing it on my always-been-solid-as-a-rock desktop system. Oh ya! What a great decision that was!!! What was once sweet is now sour. What was once zippy is now zapped. What was once paradise is now a pair-of-dice and-I-just rolled-snake-eyes-again!!! Yep. I got that problem also with the "Dick Cheney for President" flyers mysteriously printing out between Excel spreadsheet pages.
But, then again, maybe I should consider myself lucky. I'm not even half as bad off as that poor b@stid I saw on the news the other day that attempted to install Vista on a notebook computer. As soon as Vista booted up the first time, the notebook computer jumped off the table and began chasing the cat through the house! The cat was able to get away, but the notebook computer disappeared for a while. About 30 minutes later, the guy found the Vista-fied notebook computer in the broom closet dry-humping the vacuum cleaner!
This is enough to drive one to drink. I think I'll get me a big bottle of that illegal aged-three-whole-days corn whiskey and forget Vista tonight.
Bozo
Storage? I am Storage!
e_dawg
Storage Freak
Strangely, I am back to using Vista as XP refused to work properly on my system. Vista actually works reasonably well right now. Photoshop is "working", although it is not necessarily Adobe's fault that it isn't 100%, if you know what I mean.
Bozo
Storage? I am Storage!
One of my main gripes about Vista and XP x64 is my printer. I can get it to print, but without the proper drivers, it won't do double sided or picture quality. I'm not buying a new printer.
Bozo :joker:
Bozo :joker:
Chewy509
Wotty wot wot.
Out of curosity, which printer?
Chewy509
Wotty wot wot.
Very interesting, since the publication is very pro-MS.
I've been using Vista for a couple of weeks now, and while I'm not about to dump it, I see no reason for it (over WinXP).
Bozo
Storage? I am Storage!
Bozo
Storage? I am Storage!
Mercutio
Fatwah on Western Digital
I just came here to post that, and to laugh at ddrueding's dumb ass for being the one person on the face of the earth who actually likes for his computer to run like shit.
ddrueding
Fixture
This is an open invitation for anyone here to come by and see if my machine runs like shit. I would disagree.
Mercutio
Fatwah on Western Digital
Try installing Server 2003 or even XP on the same hardware. I actually suspect that a lot of your complaints about poor network performance will go away.
Mercutio
Fatwah on Western Digital
Also, I should come by, if only to pick up all the women you owe me.
ddrueding
Fixture
This machine used to run Server 2003. I don't see a difference.
Poor network performance
http://forums.2cpu.com/showthread.php?t=83112
..."Network throughput appears to be locked between 5% and 10% of line capacity when audio files are being played or even when they're paused. The problem apparently afflicts video playback, as well, and no amount of fiddling with priorities and auto-tuning options seems to rejuvenate network performance."...
http://forums.2cpu.com/showthread.php?t=83112
..."Network throughput appears to be locked between 5% and 10% of line capacity when audio files are being played or even when they're paused. The problem apparently afflicts video playback, as well, and no amount of fiddling with priorities and auto-tuning options seems to rejuvenate network performance."...
I got the same deal on Ultimate about a week after it shipped and I've yet to install it after all these months. I have this copy so I can learn on a VM, but I'm resisting installing on my system for so many reasons.
Adcadet
Storage Freak
Through my old university I got Vista for $5 or so, and I'm also holding off on installing it.
Mercutio
Fatwah on Western Digital
Microsoft responds to multimedia/networking complaints in Vista.
You all ready for this? It's expected behavior that only impacts LAN operations and not internet connections. Uh-huh. Because that makes it better. The dual Pentium/133 I had in 1996 could play MP3s and handle a 100Mbit network connection at full speed, but ddrueding's X2/6000 can't.
That is endlessly amusing.
You all ready for this? It's expected behavior that only impacts LAN operations and not internet connections. Uh-huh. Because that makes it better. The dual Pentium/133 I had in 1996 could play MP3s and handle a 100Mbit network connection at full speed, but ddrueding's X2/6000 can't.
That is endlessly amusing.
ddrueding
Fixture
It doesn't actually bother me, as all my resources are local