Santilli
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Currently the 3 ware card shows up as a 9000 series.
I also have the MegaRaid card 320-1
and the Silicon IMmage SIT 3112 Alink controller.
The 3112 is highly unlikely to go over 120 mb/sec.
SSDs - State of the Product?
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Currently the 3 ware card shows up as a 9000 series.
I also have the MegaRaid card 320-1
and the Silicon IMmage SIT 3112 Alink controller.
The 3112 is highly unlikely to go over 120 mb/sec.
Santilli
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After lots of playing, it's the 9500S that's the problem. With a single drive, it's max is 63 mb/sec per channel.
On the 3112 I'm getting around 124-126 MB/sec writes, and, 133-138 MB/sec reads.
Kind of weird, since the slot it's in shouldn't be that fast.
The debate now is to try and boot off the 3112, and create a single, small boot drive, on one of the 30 gig Turbo's.
Second option find a fast scsi Raid 0 card.
Third just boot off the current scsi system since it's pretty darn fast anyway.
Fourth put the two drives in the HTPC system, boot off them in Raid 0 and switch machines.
Fifth: buy another motherboard setup this machine and bring it into the 21st century.
On the 3112 I'm getting around 124-126 MB/sec writes, and, 133-138 MB/sec reads.
Kind of weird, since the slot it's in shouldn't be that fast.
The debate now is to try and boot off the 3112, and create a single, small boot drive, on one of the 30 gig Turbo's.
Second option find a fast scsi Raid 0 card.
Third just boot off the current scsi system since it's pretty darn fast anyway.
Fourth put the two drives in the HTPC system, boot off them in Raid 0 and switch machines.
Fifth: buy another motherboard setup this machine and bring it into the 21st century.
Mercutio
Fatwah on Western Digital
We've been telling you to do your fifth option for quite some time.
timwhit
Hairy Aussie
I just noticed that Intel is now making a 40GB X25-V, I would have bought that and saved some money if it was available when I bought my X25-M a few months ago.
ddrueding
Fixture
Very interesting. I'll need to compare them to the Vertex 30GB. I wonder if they are the same performance as the X25-M? If so, why change the name?
sdbardwick
Storage is cool
I expect that they are practically identical to the Kingston 40GB drives that use Intel flash; probably 1/2 the write speed of the 80GB drives.
timwhit
Hairy Aussie
I didn't notice the slower write speed, nevermind I wouldn't I have bought this over the X-25M.
V is for Value.
ddrueding
Fixture
And Value is for Cheap.
timwhit
Hairy Aussie
Not always a bad thing, especially for a netbook or similar form factor.
ddrueding
Fixture
I agree, but that word has developed such a bad taste lately. I can't help but think of a Chevy Aveo.
sdbardwick
Storage is cool
I see that Kingston EOL'd the 40GB and will replace it with a 30GB model with a Toshiba TRIM-enabled controller. Anandtech reports that the new 30GB will be $80 AR next month. Now Intel's position makes more senese.
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timwhit
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I wouid think most netbooks use 1.8inch disks though. I can't even find what size disk the Acer Timeline uses.
ddrueding
Fixture
I've put 30GB Vertex into MSI U100 and U123 without issue (there is a small foam pad you can remove, not like the SSD needs vibration damping).
They have been listed for some days or maybe a week. Given the relative sluggishness of the X25-M, I'd only consider them for applications that don't need much write performance.
ddrueding
Fixture
While sluggish compared to other SSDs, it is blistering compared to 2.5" HDDs. This is a clear upgrade option, and for only $129, it is a no-brainer.
Mercutio
Fatwah on Western Digital
Newegg says there's a $40 MIR on 60GB OCZ Vertex MLC drives. I can never keep straight which of their models are the good ones, but $180 is better than $220.
ddrueding
Fixture
The Vertex are good ones.
timwhit
Hairy Aussie
That's why it's easier to just buy an Intel drive. There are 33 OCZ SSDs for sale on Newegg and 13 Vertex.
Stereodude
Not really a
Keep in mind your odds of getting any OCZ rebate is only slightly improved by actually sending in the rebate. First, they will deny it with a blatant lie about your submission. Then, you can call and yell at them with your photocopies in hand. After enough poking and prodding they will eventually send you your check if you're lucky.
Right on! I've been ripped off too many times, so I don't even bother to send in rebates. At least when you buy a car with cash they take the rebate off the top.
Fushigi
Storage Is My Life
I fail to get only about 1 in 20 rebates myself so it's worth it for me to send them in. They're the icing on the cake to me; I don't buy unless the pre-rebate price is already acceptable.
Right now I've 3 rebates in process, one for the Vertex 120 I recently picked up.
Right now I've 3 rebates in process, one for the Vertex 120 I recently picked up.
sechs
Storage? I am Storage!
The BBB and state attorneys general can help you with that one....
Fushigi
Storage Is My Life
What are you talking about?
Santilli
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I don't know if the setup is worth the money, but, I think it may have put another 5 years useage on this machine.
It's noticeably snappier, certain things happen MUCH faster, others not so much then SCSI, but, I'm not sending this setup back anytime soon...
Two Vertex Turbos, 30 gig, raid 0, on a 9550SXU.
It's noticeably snappier, certain things happen MUCH faster, others not so much then SCSI, but, I'm not sending this setup back anytime soon...
Two Vertex Turbos, 30 gig, raid 0, on a 9550SXU.
Fushigi
Storage Is My Life
Some things arent arguable. SSDs consume less power, are quieter, generate less heat and as a consequence require less cooling. IOW they are less expensive to operate and lead to a more pleasant computing environment.
Santilli
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Sechs mentioned in one of his posts that coming from a fast scsi system the difference is not as much as people have been lead to believe. I sort of second that. Depending on your drive choice, and controller, you could get a system that was equal, or slower.
I can do that. Just plug the two drives into the 9500 again...
I can do that. Just plug the two drives into the 9500 again...
It depends on what you are using the drives for and where the bottlenecks are in the system. You might notice more improvement in usability from a decent i5 or i7 system with mundane hard drives than using the SSDs for example.
CougTek
Hairy Aussie
But the Vertex 2 Pro will be even better according to the preview at Anandtech.
BTW (I've only browsed the last two hundred posts of this thread), anyone knows which controller uses the new Kingston V+ SSD? The advertised numbers are interesting. It looks a lot like the current OCZ Vertex. Must be an Indilinx controller. It would be too good if it was either of the Sandforce controller (the SF-1200 or SF-1500).
I still hesitate weither or not to get a SSD. On the one hand, it's clearly faster than a mecanical hard drive, but on the other, the prices will fall so quickly this year that buying now will certainly bring regrets soon. If I make the move, it will probably be a 60GB-64GB size. The above mentioned Kingston if I spend in the upcoming month, or anything with the SandForce controller if I can wait two or three months.
CougTek
Hairy Aussie
I just notice that it's the same drive from Kingston that I linked in the previous post. I haven't seen any good review about it yet. Good to know it's tough.
CougTek
Hairy Aussie
Found : http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=393&Itemid=60
It's a Toshiba controller. Performances look good (on the third page). I think I'll get one.
It's a Toshiba controller. Performances look good (on the third page). I think I'll get one.
sechs
Storage? I am Storage!
I also mentioned in one of my posts that one of the problems is that SSDs have revealed many other parts of my setup as the bottleneck. There's nothing like seeing a processor core nailed while a program loads. Frankly, this has me considering a full-scale upgrade.
Considering that your system seems to be of greater vintage than mine (my motherboard has both PCI-X and PCI Express), I suspect that part of your issue would be limitations beyond the drives themselves.
udaman
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F*CK, sh**, fsck! I placed the cursor in the blank area, where the text was formatting around the non-displaying image/gif file when I C&P'd the quoted text, hit delete to remove it, and the whole window disappeared, a backpage op occured and I lost my whole post....arrgh :monky:
And what's with tweakertech site, that constantly reloads, continues to load new data, after I hit the FF 'stop loading this page' button...they need to lay of the meth on that site, damn it!
I'll try again, and screw the formatting/image file.
http://www.electronista.com/articles/10/01/26/owc.outs.first.enterprise.grade.25.inch.ssds/
http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/30...100gb_sandforce_solid_state_disk/index10.html
Get a Mac, the new Apple tablet will be the next tech icon!
And what's with tweakertech site, that constantly reloads, continues to load new data, after I hit the FF 'stop loading this page' button...they need to lay of the meth on that site, damn it!
I'll try again, and screw the formatting/image file.
http://www.electronista.com/articles/10/01/26/owc.outs.first.enterprise.grade.25.inch.ssds/
Still too expensive, probably relabeled runcore or made 4 OWC by RC. I also note the Runcore V2 PATA/IDE likely using older controller, is $240 for 64GB (using older spec instead of realistic 50GB?) and for that you get only 80MB/s read, much slower writes...still faster than a HD, but not much...other than latency. Y is that when the last PATA at133 spec is much higher theoretical?
http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/30...100gb_sandforce_solid_state_disk/index10.html
let me guess, you'all are going to stick with Intel, lol?
Get a Mac, the new Apple tablet will be the next tech icon!
What about the random writes? How do you compare them directly to the old X25-E?
CougTek
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They are a lot slower than the old X25-E. I re-thought about it and I'll wait before buying.
Santilli
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I know the system bus is about 1200 MB/sec, vs. David's which is around 3500 MB/SEC
IIRC from the Ram disk tests.
Still don't really get much over 50% of processor useage, maybe a 60% spike opening programs now.
Only one program I run takes nearly all the processor power.
ddrueding
Fixture
Only one of the programs that I run show higher than 60% usage, but they are CPU bound anyway. How many individual cores are at 100%?