Cliptin
Wannabe Storage Freak
How are you guys calculating the times?
Folding@Home
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CougTek
Hairy Aussie
Prof.Wizard
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Why don't we wait a couple of days before updating? From experience versions with subversion "0" tend to change the first week of release.
I'm expecting a v3.1 (or v3.0.1) anytime this week. If not, I'll be downloading too this weekend.
I'm expecting a v3.1 (or v3.0.1) anytime this week. If not, I'll be downloading too this weekend.
Tea
Storage? I am Storage!
DOH! Why didn't I think of that? Or read your post before I wasted a half hour walking round the office with a floppy disc? (Yeah, yeah, I could use the network, but it's easier to use a floppy disc than it is to mess about setting up all those temporary machines with file sharing and stuff.)
To add my machine and produce a summary.
The time it takes for 1/100 of ProteinA (5/100 points)
MP1900+ -----------------------> ~7.92 minutes = 13 hours/5 points
XP1800+ @1600 ---------------> ~9.17 minutes = 15 hours/5 points
XP1600+ ----------------------> ~11 minutes = 18 hours/5 points
800Mhz Athlon Thunderbird --> ~17 minutes = 28 hours/5 points
500Mhz Athlon ----------------> ~34 minutes = 57 hours/5 points
Anyone got more times? Lets try to flush out the list. For people adding machines, I think these numbers can give reasonable estimates as to WU production over time. They are gotten by looking at the console window as F@H is crunching a ProteinA.
The time it takes for 1/100 of ProteinA (5/100 points)
MP1900+ -----------------------> ~7.92 minutes = 13 hours/5 points
XP1800+ @1600 ---------------> ~9.17 minutes = 15 hours/5 points
XP1600+ ----------------------> ~11 minutes = 18 hours/5 points
800Mhz Athlon Thunderbird --> ~17 minutes = 28 hours/5 points
500Mhz Athlon ----------------> ~34 minutes = 57 hours/5 points
Anyone got more times? Lets try to flush out the list. For people adding machines, I think these numbers can give reasonable estimates as to WU production over time. They are gotten by looking at the console window as F@H is crunching a ProteinA.
CougTek
Hairy Aussie
After a clean re-install and the latest Core downloaded, my Thunderbird 800MHz does 1/100 of a proteinA in 15m21s. Which means it can completes one in 25 hours 35 minutes. I also think my Athlon XP 1600 + (in fact, it's a 1500+ with a FSB of 142MHz = CPU @ 1.436GHz) is a little bit faster than what I wrote. Probably close to 1/100th in 9m30s. I'll check carefully next time it has a proteinA to crunch, but it hasn't happened in the last few days.P5-133XL said:
Cliptin
Wannabe Storage Freak
Are the Ag29a proteins of the same sophistication as the A? For timing purposes.
Tea
Storage? I am Storage!
I really, really, really hate this.
It happens every time I accidentally start a second copy of a process. Can't one of you Windows users please tell me how to sest a shortcut so that it won't ever start a second copy?
Bloody pox-ridden Microsoft operating system. Ostie de calice de tabarnack de criss de sacrament de calvaire de ciboire!
I can set an OS/2 system to prevent this in five seconds, posibly three seconds. Surely there is a way to do it in Windows 2000?
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[03:09:34] Folding@Home2 Core Shutdown: BAD_FRAME_CHECKSUM
CoreStatus = 70 (112)
+ The core could not validate the current work unit for processing.
Deleting current work unit & continuing...
+ Attempting to get work packet
- Connecting to assignment serverIt happens every time I accidentally start a second copy of a process. Can't one of you Windows users please tell me how to sest a shortcut so that it won't ever start a second copy?
Bloody pox-ridden Microsoft operating system. Ostie de calice de tabarnack de criss de sacrament de calvaire de ciboire!
I can set an OS/2 system to prevent this in five seconds, posibly three seconds. Surely there is a way to do it in Windows 2000?
Tea
Storage? I am Storage!
I already did that, Clocker. fold1.exe fold2.exe and so on. I have shortcuts to each of them in a folder, and a shortcut to the folder in my quicklaunch. But if I click on the wrong one - so easy to do, that is what happens. No wonder JoJo is catching me up!
I need the shortcuts because I need the -local switch, otherwise there is another way to nuke my work units. And I need more than one copy per machine because I have fast machines (this one is an XP 1800) but only intermitent web connections.
Sigh.
I need the shortcuts because I need the -local switch, otherwise there is another way to nuke my work units. And I need more than one copy per machine because I have fast machines (this one is an XP 1800) but only intermitent web connections.
Sigh.
Tea
Storage? I am Storage!
Thanks Mark, yes. But this is not practical either, for several reasons. First, most of my machines only get restarted once every week or two. Second, (at least until now) Stanford produce new betas roughly three times more often than I restart my machines! And third, I want to vary the number of instances I'm running. Right now, I'm connected and will be for some hours. So I want a single copy running to minimise performance-sapping task switching between multiple F@Homes. But my office crunchers may well not get a web connection until Monday morning (it's Saturday lunchtime here) and even a K6 will have finished a single ProteinA long before then. So they are all loaded up with two or three instances, so as to give them enough work to keep crunching all weekend.
When I go to work on Monday, it all depends. If these two home machines have just started a big work unit, then that will keep them going all day. But if they are doing small units or on, say, #89 out of 100 of a big one, then they need a second process started before I leave.
Also, I have to try to juggle the order such that I don't wind up not completing some units until after they have expired. Sure, I still get the score, but that's hardly the point, is it. All in all, it gets tricky.
When I go to work on Monday, it all depends. If these two home machines have just started a big work unit, then that will keep them going all day. But if they are doing small units or on, say, #89 out of 100 of a big one, then they need a second process started before I leave.
Also, I have to try to juggle the order such that I don't wind up not completing some units until after they have expired. Sure, I still get the score, but that's hardly the point, is it. All in all, it gets tricky.
Bartender
Storage is cool
Too tricky Tea, sell the machines and make some money 
. Oh, wait, your heaters will be gone. Do what I did when my coffee warmers exited - get the appropriate appliance going!
. Oh, wait, your heaters will be gone. Do what I did when my coffee warmers exited - get the appropriate appliance going! 
Tannin
Storage? I am Storage!
Stupid girl! Why didn't you ask me?
(You? A Windows expert? Ha! As if. All you understand is prehistoric stuff like CP/M and OS/2 and DOS.)
Yes, Tea. I understand stuff like DOS. But you should be able to work this one out for yourself. Tell me, have you ever used the accounting system at the office?
(Of course.)
We use Quicken, right?
(Sure. Quicken 7 for DOS.)
And Quicken can't cope with multiple instances, right?
(Of course not. It's a DOS program.)
So how do we stop ourselves corrupting the Quicken data file by running multiple copies of it?
(That's no help, Tannin. We run it under OS/2, and use the standard OS/2 function to make sure that, no matter how many times you click on the icon, you only bring the existing instance to the top of the Z-order, and never start a second copy. F@Home runs under Windows, and Windows, it seems, is brain dead. At least no-one has managed to suggest a Windows function that can do what we need.)
But what about the other machines, Tea? What happens if I am running Quicken on the office machine and you go to enter a payment on the showroom machine? That's a completely different copy of OS/2. And, in fact, a local copy of the Quicken executable. Only the data file is shared over the network. It has no way of knowing that the data file is in use by a different copy of Quicken on a different machine. But what happens if you try?
(It won't let me. That's why you are always shouting at Kristi for leaving Quicken open on a machine she has finished using. Because you don't like having to walk to the other machine, shut Quicken down, and then walk back and start it up on the machine you want to use.)
Exactly. And how does it do that? Quicken is not network aware, and it doesn't have file locking. So how did I do it?
(Err.... Batch files?)
Ahh. I see the light is dawning for you.
(Would you write me one, please Tannin?)
No, you can do it yourself. But I'll give you a hint. Here is some psudo code:
There. think you could manage that?
(Sure. Thanks Tannin!)
(You? A Windows expert? Ha! As if. All you understand is prehistoric stuff like CP/M and OS/2 and DOS.)
Yes, Tea. I understand stuff like DOS. But you should be able to work this one out for yourself. Tell me, have you ever used the accounting system at the office?
(Of course.)
We use Quicken, right?
(Sure. Quicken 7 for DOS.)
And Quicken can't cope with multiple instances, right?
(Of course not. It's a DOS program.)
So how do we stop ourselves corrupting the Quicken data file by running multiple copies of it?
(That's no help, Tannin. We run it under OS/2, and use the standard OS/2 function to make sure that, no matter how many times you click on the icon, you only bring the existing instance to the top of the Z-order, and never start a second copy. F@Home runs under Windows, and Windows, it seems, is brain dead. At least no-one has managed to suggest a Windows function that can do what we need.)
But what about the other machines, Tea? What happens if I am running Quicken on the office machine and you go to enter a payment on the showroom machine? That's a completely different copy of OS/2. And, in fact, a local copy of the Quicken executable. Only the data file is shared over the network. It has no way of knowing that the data file is in use by a different copy of Quicken on a different machine. But what happens if you try?
(It won't let me. That's why you are always shouting at Kristi for leaving Quicken open on a machine she has finished using. Because you don't like having to walk to the other machine, shut Quicken down, and then walk back and start it up on the machine you want to use.)
Exactly. And how does it do that? Quicken is not network aware, and it doesn't have file locking. So how did I do it?
(Err.... Batch files?)
Ahh. I see the light is dawning for you.
(Would you write me one, please Tannin?)
No, you can do it yourself. But I'll give you a hint. Here is some psudo code:
Code:
if exist busy.dat goto exit
copy flag.dat busy.dat
c:\fold1\fold1.exe -local
del busy.dat
exitThere. think you could manage that?
(Sure. Thanks Tannin!)
Bartender
Storage is cool
I'm glad you two could find the answer. I would love to see the two of you actually talking to each other and then see Kristi in the background wondering if Redhill has a future for her. Maybe the place can be left to her as the two of you take your discussion into a padded cell.
Maybe the place can be left to her as the two of you take your discussion into a padded cell.
Tea
Storage? I am Storage!
Huh?
Tannin
Storage? I am Storage!
They let us out already?
Tea
Storage? I am Storage!
Cool!
Tea
Storage? I am Storage!
JoJo retakes the lead. (That ProteinA the stipic client mangled this morning would have been enough to keep me ahead too, curse it.) And Team Storage Forum is #105 and counting!
Top 100 here we come.
Top 100 here we come.
CougTek
Hairy Aussie
LoL. Nice mix of culture isn't it?
Bartender, unless you do something real soon, you'll be behind me by tomorrow.
Bartender
Storage is cool
CougTek said:
Sorry Coug, I can't justify building systems I don't have an order for yet (I already have three of those). My pride won't be hurt a bit if I'm left in last place; it is nice to see the team doing so well.
Tea
Storage? I am Storage!
Perhaps you would be kind enough to translate for me, Coug. Google simply renders "calvaire" as "martyrdom", "de" as "of" and leaves the rest alone, though I can guess some of it.
Or am I too young to be allowed to know what that phrase means? Perhaps it's better this way: I can simply translate it as "something very rude to say when your computer is behaving in an especially pox-ridden manner".
Congratulations to JoJo, who has not only retaken his lead, but has pulled almost 30 points out on me. I have six or eight machines at the office that have no doubt finished a few crunches since I left them on Friday afternoon, I should go in and give them a web connection. But Monday will do.
Or am I too young to be allowed to know what that phrase means? Perhaps it's better this way: I can simply translate it as "something very rude to say when your computer is behaving in an especially pox-ridden manner".
Congratulations to JoJo, who has not only retaken his lead, but has pulled almost 30 points out on me. I have six or eight machines at the office that have no doubt finished a few crunches since I left them on Friday afternoon, I should go in and give them a web connection. But Monday will do.
CougTek
Hairy Aussie
There are no real translations Tea. Originally, these were Church-related words. Since I'm not a very religious man, I don't know for sure what they all mean. Even the way they are pronounced differs from their original form.
Tabarnack used to be Tabernacle. Tabernacle is a religion object, but I don't know what it is.
"Criss" stands for "Christ" (yep, that's the skinny guy on the cross).
Ostie remains unchanged as fas as I know.
Calvaire indeed is something related to martyr. For instance, Mercutio could say that his life is a "calvaire", it would mean the same as if he would say that his life is a real Hell.
Sacrament should be written "sacrement" (but it's pronounced "sacrament" when people swears). I don't know what's the english translation for the various types of "sacrements", but to give you an idea, there's one for forgiveness, one for wedding, one for baptism, etc.
Ciboire is a religion object, but since I haven't been in a Church for the past...oh, almost fifteen years (except one brief moment for a burial ceremony), I don't know what it is.
Anyway, you get the idea behind these words. They are used because back in the time they started to become popular, Québec was a very religious place where Church-related words were forbidden. So when people wanted to express their frustation (often because of the damn snow), they pronounced these words, probably because they thought God was ultimately responsible of their misery and it was their way to get a revenge.
Tabarnack used to be Tabernacle. Tabernacle is a religion object, but I don't know what it is.
"Criss" stands for "Christ" (yep, that's the skinny guy on the cross).
Ostie remains unchanged as fas as I know.
Calvaire indeed is something related to martyr. For instance, Mercutio could say that his life is a "calvaire", it would mean the same as if he would say that his life is a real Hell.
Sacrament should be written "sacrement" (but it's pronounced "sacrament" when people swears). I don't know what's the english translation for the various types of "sacrements", but to give you an idea, there's one for forgiveness, one for wedding, one for baptism, etc.
Ciboire is a religion object, but since I haven't been in a Church for the past...oh, almost fifteen years (except one brief moment for a burial ceremony), I don't know what it is.
Anyway, you get the idea behind these words. They are used because back in the time they started to become popular, Québec was a very religious place where Church-related words were forbidden. So when people wanted to express their frustation (often because of the damn snow), they pronounced these words, probably because they thought God was ultimately responsible of their misery and it was their way to get a revenge.
CNN Sport
What is this storage?
"Welcome back to CNN Sport. I'm Dave Spadruck and it's time for our regular roundup of the Folding League. Ed."
"Thanks Dave, and the big mover this week isTeam Storage Forum."
"A good young team, Ed, I think we featured then on our 'Rising Star' segment a couple of weeks ago."
"That's right Dave, and this week they hit the top 100."
"Into the big league, Ed, and this is something we predicted here on CNN Sport. You saw it happen."
"Dave, I thought we'd run through the team, take a look at the offense, the defense, see if we can't work out what makes Team Storage Forum the sixth-best performing side outside the top 25."
"Sixth-best, Ed? Not counting the top 20-odd teams, who is out-performing them?"
"Well Dave, I made a chart for that, listing the team position and the number of points they are scoring in a week. To make it easy, I've just counted ther teams that are outside the top 25 and crunching more than 1300 points a week."
"Good one Ed. Let's see it.
"So if we ignore the top 25, these are the teams that SF.net has to worry about, Ed."
"You got it Dave."
"Folks, we have to take a station break. We will be right back after this."
"Thanks Dave, and the big mover this week isTeam Storage Forum."
"A good young team, Ed, I think we featured then on our 'Rising Star' segment a couple of weeks ago."
"That's right Dave, and this week they hit the top 100."
"Into the big league, Ed, and this is something we predicted here on CNN Sport. You saw it happen."
"Dave, I thought we'd run through the team, take a look at the offense, the defense, see if we can't work out what makes Team Storage Forum the sixth-best performing side outside the top 25."
"Sixth-best, Ed? Not counting the top 20-odd teams, who is out-performing them?"
"Well Dave, I made a chart for that, listing the team position and the number of points they are scoring in a week. To make it easy, I've just counted ther teams that are outside the top 25 and crunching more than 1300 points a week."
"Good one Ed. Let's see it.
Code:
#27 1351 per week, Macphilez
#33 1991 per week, MacNN
#65 2525 per week, KCgeek
#66 1480 per week, Modeemi
#85 1340 per week, Macrumours
#99 1320 per week, Storage Forum.net"So if we ignore the top 25, these are the teams that SF.net has to worry about, Ed."
"You got it Dave."
"Folks, we have to take a station break. We will be right back after this."
CougTek
Hairy Aussie
For those who wonder, Simonstre is the one who is currently using my Thunderbird 1.4GHz (the computer I often refer to as my "foreign system"). He is also responsible for the Pentium II 333MHz that crunches under my name. In a way, he also participated in our Genome@home team back then.
Tea
Storage? I am Storage!
#85 and cookin!
Great effort guys. Especially to you JoJo - wow! We are now only 3 places behing Team Mac Central.com. Way to go.
Great effort guys. Especially to you JoJo - wow! We are now only 3 places behing Team Mac Central.com. Way to go.
The JoJo
Wannabe Storage Freak
........*gasp*......need.......more.....power.......to.....*gasp*....crunch.....more.....units.......
Bartender
Storage is cool
The JoJo takes a major lead in this race as Tea begins to run out of steam. Clocker is running several lengths behind Tea, but is slowly closing the gap. Handruin watches as Clocker races by and feels the stampede of CougTek coming from behind. Bartender begins picking up his pace but trails CougTek by a length. Cliptin approaches Bartender with great speed as they race neck-and-neck. In eighth place, P5 133XL holds his own as the rest of group trail behind. Mourn is moving at a consistent pace with no competition from behind. Prof. Wizard is catching his breath as Pradeep approaches at a quick pace. In twelfth place, nrg takes a break and sees Pradep bolt by. Adcadet is moving at a consistent trot, but nothing worth breaking a sweat over. Muitah and Soup Nazi were battling for fourteenth place, but seem to be taking a break. Tannin is wandering out of the gate, trying to find his bearing. P 133 6 10 01 10PM, Dozer, and Sol are having a few drinks at the gate.
Cliptin
Wannabe Storage Freak
Dozer just fired up last night. We'll give 'im a week to catch his stride.
Bartender
Storage is cool
Cliptin said:
It seems that Dozer has flat-lined at the Genome project.
Cliptin
Wannabe Storage Freak
Bartender said:
He really wanted to move up in the ranks.
He just switched all his machines over to folding. BTW, I think he now has the new low ball machine: PI-75.
Dozer
Learning Storage Performance
Somebody has to be the lowball...
Might as well be me...
Actually, it's a PI-90 (just had to set the record straight Clip). It should eek out about 1 point per month for me
Glad to be on the team!
Might as well be me...
Actually, it's a PI-90 (just had to set the record straight Clip). It should eek out about 1 point per month for me
Glad to be on the team!
Bartender
Storage is cool
We're glad that you're on the team Dozer, and a hearty welcome from Storage Forum (seeing as how you're a newly registered member). What would you like to drink?
Dozer
Learning Storage Performance
Diesel, please [/quote]
[/quote]Dozer
Learning Storage Performance
Maybe this newly added machine will help boost my F@H score:
Hey, it's probably faster than my PI-90
Hey, it's probably faster than my PI-90
Groltz
My demeaning user rank is
[/quote]Dozer said:Diesel, please
Funny you mentioned that. I still have a full fifth bottle of that stuff that my friend sent me as a "gift" from Baton Rouge back '94.