When to Build New System
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ddrueding
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I'll be making the move in the not too distant future. My current i7 965 EE CPU will be for sale. 
Strange. I used a 3650 (PCI-e) in my HTP without any ongoing issues for nearly two years. I've just upgraded it to a 5670. Any issue I did strike was usually solved by upgrading the codecs (K-Lite)/application used to display content (Media Player Classic/MPC Home Theatre). I have content in lots of different formats.
When I upgraded to the 5670, there was a display issue with the drivers on the CD. Updated those to Cat 10.2 and issue solved.
I'll be making the move in the not too distant future. My current i7 965 EE CPU will be for sale.
Of course it is different when you have outlets to sell used goods. I used to have that option, but it is not feasible any more. I estimated about $7k or so per year depreciation, at least half of that on bodies. Eventually items are worthless and tossed.
ddrueding
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It is indeed unfortunate that you cannot resell your gear, considering that you run the fastest stuff all the time. That is the worst of both worlds. Why isn't resale an option?
Santilli
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LiamC:
I had a bunch of stuff that was just too many bandaids. A supermicro, 10 year old motherboard, USB 2 Plextor Bluray writer/player, AGP 4670, all running on XP Pro.
Same player works fine on The Beast.
Santilli
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I'll be making the move in the not too distant future. My current i7 965 EE CPU will be for sale.
Call me;-)
ddrueding
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Seems fine to me. Socket 1366 still has quite some life to it, you can have 6 cores if you like, and SSDs are quite happy at the moment with SATA6 and USB3 readily available.
ddrueding
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Were I to build a system at the moment, it would look like this:
Intel Core i7-980X Extreme Edition Gulftown 3.33GHz
Noctua NH-U12DX 1366 120mm SSO CPU Cooler
GIGABYTE GA-X58A-UD7 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Motherboard
CORSAIR XMS3 12GB (6 x 2GB) DDR3 1600
OCZ Z-Drive R2 M84 PCI-E 512GB PCI Express Solid State Drive
SAPPHIRE Radeon 5870 2GB 6-Monitor Eyefinity Support
Antec P193 Gunmetal Gray Aluminum
Antec CP-1000 1000W Continuous 80 PLUS Certified Modular Active PFC
LG Black 10X Blu-ray Burner
That is only about $5k shipped and taxed. What did I forget?
Intel Core i7-980X Extreme Edition Gulftown 3.33GHz
Noctua NH-U12DX 1366 120mm SSO CPU Cooler
GIGABYTE GA-X58A-UD7 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Motherboard
CORSAIR XMS3 12GB (6 x 2GB) DDR3 1600
OCZ Z-Drive R2 M84 PCI-E 512GB PCI Express Solid State Drive
SAPPHIRE Radeon 5870 2GB 6-Monitor Eyefinity Support
Antec P193 Gunmetal Gray Aluminum
Antec CP-1000 1000W Continuous 80 PLUS Certified Modular Active PFC
LG Black 10X Blu-ray Burner
That is only about $5k shipped and taxed. What did I forget?
CougTek
Hairy Aussie
Do you want SATA 6Gbps or USB3? If those two aren't priorities, then both the Asus Rampage II GENE and MSI X58M are good small motherboards with 2 PCI-E 16X slots. They are both µATX too. The Rampage II GENE has more BIOS settings, but it is also ~40$ more expensive. Both use the Intel X58 chipset and the LGA1366 for higher-end Core i7.
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Where to get the $5K from!
CougTek
Hairy Aussie
I would drop the Antec P193 and CP-1000 and instead go with the Antec P183 and the ABS MJ-900 900W 80 Plus GOLD certified power supply. Much more efficient and no more expensive. You don't need a thousand Watts anyway (any good 600W should be enough for your configuration).
Thanks. Much of that I would not need or want. For example, the lowest-power video card is preferable for the 2D only usage and the SSD PCIe card is not for me. I'd rather get a good RAID controller for future upgrade options.
I'm not sure about the quality of the X58 board from the Egg ratings. Does it work well with 24GB of RAM and do the 8/16 slots function properly with 1x cards? I'd also drop the bleray burner. HD prices are so low that the idea of optical storage is nauseating and obsolete. :reindeer::reindeer:
SATA 6 would be nice, but only on the ICH. Obviously that is far from now. Otherwise I see no difference from using an add-in controller. I will need some anyway to support the 16 SATA devices. I am fine with the standard ATX size. I must use a case that fits 10 drives.
SATA 6 would be nice, but only on the ICH. Obviously that is far from now. Otherwise I see no difference from using an add-in controller. I will need some anyway to support the 16 SATA devices. I am fine with the standard ATX size. I must use a case that fits 10 drives.
I was hoping to reuse the Seabreeze or something 700W PSU in the current system. It has been working fine for nearly three years. Is that kind too old for a new system? :spiderman:
CougTek
Hairy Aussie
Seasonic maybe? No, it is not too old in my opinion. If it still operates quietly, then why not reuse it?
CougTek
Hairy Aussie
Antec Solo. Ok airflow inside and reasonably quiet (dampened side panel). It is heavily built.
CougTek
Hairy Aussie
It can accept 4x 5.25 drives (see the specifications), but only 4x 3.5 internal drives.
CougTek
Hairy Aussie
http://Silverstone FT02Silverstone FT02. Not cheap though.
ddrueding
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Depends on the airflow in your case. If you have significant airflow, no. If you have really low airflow and are overclocking/overvolting, yes. If you have no airflow at all and are overclocking/overvolting (like me) then you also need to use the built-in waterblock.
ddrueding
Fixture
The CPU wasn't really the culprit; the motherboard chipset was running much hotter. My new motherboard (X58A-UD9) has even more chips to support the extra PCIe lanes, so there is more heat.
ddrueding
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Not really inefficient, but the cooling on most chipsets is inadequate IMHO. A modern CPU draws ~100W and has a giant heatsink with a large fan on it. The chipset has to disperse 20-40W and all it gets is a little heatsink that hopes to get some spare airflow from somewhere else? Some chipsets have tiny fans, but that isn't any good, either.
The Gigabyte boards I use have heatpipes that evenly distribute the heat to many points on the board, so the odds of some part of it being in airflow from something is much higher. Put on the neat PCI slot heatsink thingy and you can guarantee the entire chipset will remain cool even in the quietest/most crowded systems.
The Gigabyte boards I use have heatpipes that evenly distribute the heat to many points on the board, so the odds of some part of it being in airflow from something is much higher. Put on the neat PCI slot heatsink thingy and you can guarantee the entire chipset will remain cool even in the quietest/most crowded systems.
CougTek
Hairy Aussie
You really bought a 700$ motherboard (GigaByte X58A-UD9)?
ddrueding
Fixture
Yup. Once I stick in the two 5870s, the OCZ Z-Drive, The X-Fi Forte 7.1, and the Intel Pro/1000PT dual-port, I'm out of slots
That was actually the deciding factor in not putting the system in a case, but mounting it to the wall instead.
That was actually the deciding factor in not putting the system in a case, but mounting it to the wall instead.
Other than briefly, my CPU is not using full power all the time though. Maybe that would change in newer apps, but actual use is nothing like the stress tests.
ddrueding
Fixture
In that way you are correct about chipsets being inefficient; they don't have all the on idle power saving capabilities that CPUs do. If the system is idle most of the time, it is possible the chipset will produce more heat than the CPU.
ddrueding
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On this one you don't lose a slot to the heatsink, it is next to slot one. This is the best board, but it is huge. You will have very few choices when it comes to cases, which is why I decided to go without.