ddrueding
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Let me know if you'd like help with the build; I enjoy building beasts 
When to Build New System
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I thought of David and Lunar when I read this article on building up a ZFS NAS/SAN device. I thought it might work well for David's VM farm, and also for Lunar's growing storage needs, you could get by with ZFS and data deduplication and extendability through the use of iSCSI for bulk storage. They make use of a nice combination of bulk storage in SATA while making use of RAM and SSDs for caching and performance. I enjoyed the article and seeing how they attempted to improve on their own efficiencies in their service provider model. Maybe there is something to take from this when moving forward with your next system(s)?
You could scale it back a bit, but the general idea is that you could have several stacks of storage and build up your network such that iSCSI is a focus. You could then add on to your storage array over time and not have to rebuild it so frequently. What's the size of your data that you have to manage? Are we talking 10-20TB or more?
I'm making a guess that you store and archive a lot of photography images, and doing so may benefit from having deduplication. You could remove the complexity of individual arrays for the offline archiving and have a smaller amount of high-speed storage for your online primary working environment.
I'm making a guess that you store and archive a lot of photography images, and doing so may benefit from having deduplication. You could remove the complexity of individual arrays for the offline archiving and have a smaller amount of high-speed storage for your online primary working environment.
BingBangBop
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Very cool!
But I worry about Oracle now owning Open Solaris and the long-term consequences.
But I worry about Oracle now owning Open Solaris and the long-term consequences.
Are there other viable options besides Open Solaris? This article suggests there is another movement called Illumos to continue what seems like a defunct Open Solaris, called Open Indiana.
timwhit
Hairy Aussie
I think so, but it wasn't clear to me if BSD supports all the same features as Solaris/Open Solaris and if it performs the same (better/worse).
Let me know if you'd like help with the build; I enjoy building beasts
There is no money for beasts. The majority of the funds will be exhausted on the monitor.
ale: If I spring for the big CPU, what can I buy for the remaining ~$1000 towards motherboard, RAM, video card (really cheap one) and case? I could probably reuse the same case, but it is nearly 10 years old and somewhat noisy. Thanks.
ddrueding
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Intel X58 motherboard - $229
4x CORSAIR XMS 4GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 - $95EA = $380
SAPPHIRE Ultimate Radeon HD 5670 1GB - $100 and supports hardware accel. in CS5 and DisplayPort.
4x CORSAIR XMS 4GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 - $95EA = $380
SAPPHIRE Ultimate Radeon HD 5670 1GB - $100 and supports hardware accel. in CS5 and DisplayPort.
ddrueding
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For the case, if you don't have one already, an Antec P180/183/193 is pretty quiet and well ventilated.
What's the deal with 4 total RAM slots on a triple-channel chipset?
What about something like this:
GIGABYTE GA-X58-USB3 LGA 1366 Intel X58 USB 3.0 ATX $180
ddrueding
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A likely better choice. I'm just on an Intel kick recently, after having an issue with a Gigabyte board. They are still head and shoulders above the rest, though (I'm looking at you, ASUS).
Thanks. What is the deal with the RAM? I can't figure out the newfangled multipliers without a headache. Which speed rating is needed? Assuming I would get only 12GB, is 6x2 better than 3x4 for CPU overclocking? :monky:
ddrueding
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I would certainly do 3x4 to allow more RAM later. Why not go to 24GB now?
Chewy509
Wotty wot wot.
IIRC, BSD trails Solaris feature set by a few months in implementation timeline.
OpenSolaris has been renamed as Solaris 11 Express, but the first release isn't out yet. You can however download all the source code from Oracle as needed, and this is what the other OpenSolaris based OS's have been doing and will continue to do. Nexenta for example takes the core of OpenSolaris, and replaces all the SYSV stuff with GNU stuff and add in their own ZFS toolkit. (Nexenta is what I like to recommend for serious home NAS systems). I believe Illumos is doing the same, but instead of providing a GNU userland, it is providing opensource equivalents for the missing SYSV stuff.
Under the deritives section here is a list of OpenSolaris based operating systems: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenSolaris
I have 6x2TB of primary data drives (the WD2001FASS 7200 RPM drive is for WIP), backed up by another 6x2TB of individual drives. There are 5-8 other drives and additional complications, but the 6x2TB (~8TB filled) are the "live" data. Anything other than 1:1 filesync backup is not very practical as I am constantly creating, deleting, moving and renaming files.
Are the 6x2TB in an array or are you running individual drives? How important is the speed of that primary live data? I guess what I'm getting at, is would a NAS with NFS or iSCSI help to manage the storage situation? You could then build a new system with only the high speed SSDs that you need and then manage the bulk live data in a NAS elsewhere?
I've seen fairly good results so far with Windows 7 and Gb speeds. How bad are the speeds you're seeing or what are you hoping to get during a file copy?
Sol
Storage is cool
Given that 1Gb ethernet is actually 1Gb each way (Although most monitors I've seen tend to display utilization as though it's not so maybe I'm wrong) I would have thought that a pair of bonded 1Gb PCI-E NICs would give you give you roughly a full drives throughput each way. You'd probably have to buy a pair of Intel PCI-E NICs to do it on Windows (Or some other brand but it looks like they have to be the same) and then I guess you have to have the slots on the MB to put them in, but I wouldn't have thought it would be a major investment.
That would work for a point to point setup (assuming both ends have multiple NICs), but if you have multiple devices on your network, then a person would then have to team both client and server onto a switch that allows teaming of NICs. That is why i was thinking this could be a significant investment.
I'm assuming it is crazy expensive and/or unstable at high speeds. However, I still don't know what speed grade is needed for good perforamnce at a CPU speed of 4+GHz.
Bozo
Storage? I am Storage!
I usually match the RAM speed to the CPU bus speed.
time
Storage? I am Storage!
Last time I looked, DDR1066 covered most Intel CPUs; DDR1333 should cover all of them. I think AMD can use DDR1333 straight off the bat.
Note that I wrote this off the top of my head without any checking whatsoever. So feel free to look it up yourself.
Note that I wrote this off the top of my head without any checking whatsoever. So feel free to look it up yourself.
time
Storage? I am Storage!
A quick clarification: I wouldn't be overclocking large amounts of RAM and DDR2000 and up isn't standard anyway.
Sure, but I'm not familiar with the new multiplier system. Of course I'd like to keep the RAM in spec at 4GHz, and I don't want the multiplier too high if that reduces performance.
time
Storage? I am Storage!
[url=http://www.intel.com/support/processors/sb/CS-029913.htm]Intel[/url] said:
Happy?
This is what I am thinking about now.
GA-X58A-UD5
i7 980X
12GB DDR3 1600
Is the stock cooler sufficient? Are there any concerns?
GA-X58A-UD5
i7 980X
12GB DDR3 1600
Is the stock cooler sufficient? Are there any concerns?
Stock cooler for which of the three components you listed? They all have coolers.
The CPU should suffice, but might be noisy and not do as good of a job. You could benefit from an after-market especially if you plan to OC it.I wasn't sure, only because you mentioned OCing your potential new system. I wasn't happy with my stock i7 860 cooler. When running at 100% load, I was darn near the max temperature of the CPU and the noise was noticeable from the fan. If you're spending good money on the parts and want better cooling, I would recommend trying a better cooling system, but your system should run ok at stock speeds with the stock cooler.
Ah crud, that part about the components was supposed to be posted in the "When to build a new system thread."
I moved your above posts into the correct thread.
Thanks. There are so many coolers. :queen: Which is a nice one for O/C that will not block the RAM and is controlled by the motherboard? I don't care if it is noisy for the 1% of the time under heavy load, but it should be reasonably quiet otherwise.
time
Storage? I am Storage!
If it's only going to be under heavy load 1% of the time, why on earth do you need a hex-core i7 overclocked to 4GHz?