UPS Help

[ddrueding]

I didn't bother with a Smart-UPS for the house, this does more than I need.

 

[LunarMist]

I didn't bother with a Smart-UPS for the house, this does more than I need.

Same here. I wouldn't have a simple way to connect the UPS units for the TVs, cable boxes, etc. to computers.

 

[Pradeep]

I have two of the XS LCD 1300 units. How is the RS different from the XS LCD? The features you mentioned are similar. I thought the RS was just an update of the XS.

Stolen from Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/APC-Back-UPS-Watts-Output-System/dp/B000NDA5E0

"The difference:

1. RS model has additional phone/fax/model/10/100base-T ethernet protection. The XS only has phone/fax/modem protection.
2. Auto Voltage Regulation is capable of BOOST (due from low voltage) and TRIM (from over voltage). Again, the XS model only has BOOST, and no TRIM feature."

Both are available, premium pricing applies to the RS.

Basic PowerChute Personal doesn't really do anything that Win 7 can't (except showing the front display/history), you need to move to the "business" versions if you want it to run scripts/commands on events etc.

 

[ddrueding]

What I really want is a logging capability with graphs for voltage over time and flagged events. Not sure where I need to go to get such things.

 

[Stereodude]

What kind of events?

PowerChute Business Edition has an Events Log and a Data log (no graphs though). The Events Log looks like:

2/22/10 15:35:06 Power Restored
2/22/10 15:35:04 Power Failed
2/22/10 15:33:28 Power Restored
2/22/10 15:33:26 AVR Boost No Longer Active
2/22/10 15:33:26 Power Failed
2/22/10 15:33:16 AVR Boost Active
2/20/10 17:30:33 Communication Established
2/20/10 17:30:33 Monitoring Started
2/20/10 17:27:47 Monitoring Stopped
2/20/10 15:08:20 Communication Established
2/20/10 15:08:20 Monitoring Started
2/20/10 15:02:34 Monitoring Stopped
2/20/10 13:11:38 Communication Established
2/20/10 13:11:38 Monitoring Started
2/20/10 13:07:57 Monitoring Stopped
2/19/10 14:34:46 Communication Established
2/19/10 14:34:45 Communication Lost
2/17/10 08:20:22 Communication Established
2/17/10 08:20:20 Communication Lost
2/10/10 19:30:45 Communication Established
2/10/10 19:30:45 Monitoring Started
2/4/10 19:01:25 Self Test Passed
2/4/10 19:01:22 Self Test Initiated

The Data log updates every 1 second to 59 minutes 59 seconds (user adjustable), and records: Input Line Voltage (VAC), UPS Output Voltage (VAC), Output Frequency (Hz), Battery Voltage (VDC), UPS Load (%), Internal UPS Temp (°C). Mine is set for 20 minutes.

3/24/10 17:30:43 123.1 123.1 60.0 27.67 30.5 23.4
3/24/10 17:10:42 123.1 123.1 60.0 27.54 30.5 23.4
3/24/10 16:50:42 123.1 123.1 60.0 27.54 30.5 22.9
3/24/10 16:30:42 123.1 123.1 60.0 27.54 30.5 22.9
3/24/10 16:10:42 123.8 123.8 60.0 27.67 30.5 22.9
3/24/10 15:50:42 123.8 123.8 60.0 27.54 30.5 22.9
3/24/10 15:30:42 123.1 123.1 60.0 27.54 31.2 22.9
3/24/10 15:10:42 123.1 123.1 60.0 27.54 30.5 22.9
3/24/10 14:50:42 123.1 123.1 60.0 27.54 30.5 22.9
3/24/10 14:30:42 123.1 123.1 60.0 27.54 31.2 22.9
3/24/10 14:10:41 123.1 123.1 60.0 27.54 30.5 22.9
3/24/10 13:50:41 123.1 123.1 60.0 27.54 30.5 22.9
3/24/10 13:30:41 123.1 123.1 60.0 27.67 31.2 22.9
3/24/10 13:10:41 123.1 123.1 60.0 27.67 30.5 22.9
3/24/10 12:50:41 123.1 123.1 60.0 27.54 31.2 22.9
3/24/10 12:30:41 123.8 123.8 60.0 27.67 30.5 22.9
3/24/10 12:10:41 123.1 123.1 60.0 27.54 30.5 22.9

 

[ddrueding]

That looks perfect, Stereodude. Is that a software-only upgrade compatible with the RS, or do I need a proper Smart-UPS?

 

[Stereodude]

I've got no idea on that one...

 

[LunarMist]

So what is that data used for?

 

[Stereodude]

So what is that data used for?

Well, it's handy for knowing when and how long the power was out for when you get back from work and have to reset a bunch of clocks because the power went out.

 

[LunarMist]

What, you don't plug the clocks into the UPS?

 

[ddrueding]

So what is that data used for?

For reporting on a bunch of other stuff. We have a monster UPS for the server room, but the reporting module for it is $2k+. I can just pay a few hundred for one of these and get all the reporting off it.

 

[LunarMist]

For reporting on a bunch of other stuff. We have a monster UPS for the server room, but the reporting module for it is $2k+. I can just pay a few hundred for one of these and get all the reporting off it.

Oh, I thought that was for your personal use.

 

[ddrueding]

Oh, I thought that was for your personal use.

Nah, the XS is fine for the house. The 700VA gives 15 minutes of power to the entire coffin.

 

[LunarMist]

Nah, the XS is fine for the house. The 700VA gives 15 minutes of power to the entire coffin.

You need power in a coffin, Dracula? :grin:

 

[ddrueding]

You need power in a coffin, Dracula? :grin:

Presenting "The Coffin"

 

[Stereodude]

What, you don't plug the clocks into the UPS?

No, my stove and microwave are not plugged into a UPS.

Are yours?

 

[LunarMist]

If the clocks must be reset, what difference does it make when or for how long the power was out?

 

[Stereodude]

If the clocks must be reset, what difference does it make when or for how long the power was out?

Curiosity of course.

 

[sechs]

Stolen from Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/APC-Back-UPS-Watts-Output-System/dp/B000NDA5E0

"The difference:

1. RS model has additional phone/fax/model/10/100base-T ethernet protection. The XS only has phone/fax/modem protection.
2. Auto Voltage Regulation is capable of BOOST (due from low voltage) and TRIM (from over voltage). Again, the XS model only has BOOST, and no TRIM feature."

Both are available, premium pricing applies to the RS.

This is old information.

The only difference between the models is the sales channel. The premium for the RS is because it is part of an entire line from APC. Check the product pages:
http://www.apc.com/products/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=BR1500LCD
http://www.apc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=BX1500LCD

I have one RS and one XS. The only difference between them is the power specification (one is 1500VA and the other 1300VA).

 

[sechs]

That looks perfect, Stereodude. Is that a software-only upgrade compatible with the RS, or do I need a proper Smart-UPS?

Once upon a time, I ran the business edition, and there were no issues running it with a Back-UPS unit.

 

[ddrueding]

Thanks sechs.

 

[LunarMist]

The software doesn't seem to be freely available.

 

[BingBangBop]

The software doesn't seem to be freely available.

Which software? APC Powerchute This is the personal edition. The last time I used it the only difference between the business and the personal was the number of agents allowed and my memory says 25 vs 5. As long as you don't have more than 5 machines to monitor, then personal should work just fine.

 

[LunarMist]

That one also requires an account.

 

[BingBangBop]

That one also requires an account.

So, I don't understand the problem -- just create one. This program is free to all. you just have to register to get it.

 

[LunarMist]

So, I don't understand the problem -- just create one. This program is free to all. you just have to register to get it.

Registration is not in my best interest.

 

[BingBangBop]

Registration is not in my best interest.

You are the best judge of that. Then you need to find it being hosted by someone else on a P2P site somewhere or find a friend that does not have your peculiar limitations and have him/her DL it for you. Then there is always the do without solution.

 

[Stinker]

Registration is not in my best interest.

I don't understand the big deal. You are not required to give a product S/N and you can put any fake information you want.

 

[Stereodude]

He's overly paranoid. That's why he won't sell any of his old camera gear that's collecting dust either.

 

[ddrueding]

Overly paranoid implies that you know the right amount of paranoia, which I doubt.

 

[BingBangBop]

There is no need to judge. He is an adult (or so I think) and therefore he is the best judge of what is or is not his own best interest. His decision doesn't hurt me nor anyone else so it is none of our collective business. Time to move on.

 

[Will Rickards]

bugmenot won't work in this case?

 

[Handruin]

If you want to protect your information, use a temporary email and enter in fake data for the rest of the registration. If IP tracking concerns you, try using some kind of proxy when visiting their site.

 

[LunarMist]

It is only the UPS. TMI for the value.

I have not tried the bugmenoit. Is it reliable?

 

[Sol]

It is only the UPS. TMI for the value.

I have not tried the bugmenoit. Is it reliable?

Not especially, but there is no real downside if it doesn't work on a particular site, you're only out a couple of seconds.

 

[LunarMist]

Bah, that second APC UPS now has a bad battery flashing icon.

 

[ddrueding]

This just saved by bacon.

Working at a temp site with some really funky power. I blow a fuse, so they move me to another circuit. Instantly two power strips connected to that circuit catch fire and the 4 LCD monitors connected to it fry their power bricks. This UPS just started beeping and switched to battery. Saved a stack of workstations.

 

[LunarMist]

So I spent $75 on new batteries and they only run 3 minutes at 90W. WTF? :crucified:

 

[time]

This just saved by bacon.

Jeebus. That's an amazing story, do you need to keep it incognito or can you start a thread where Lunar or Lunar's equipment aren't dying?

 

[LunarMist]

It's related to the event thread and some postings on something random thread.